It's been simply ages since I've visited this forum. How are you all? Pepcid still works well for me (I actually use generic famotidine). First drink is agonisingly slow and still go a little red from it, but after that I'm all good. In fact, I seem to go pale and pasty-looking!

In response to Yossarian, yes I most definitely get drunk :)

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Cool, thanks Eric! It was getting annoying banning all those nasty spammers :D

StopRanting: wow, thanks so much for your summary! I have been meaning to do this for a long time, but you did a much better job than I ever would've!


For me, wine is only ok later after the first couple of drinks.

I've found that my 'first' drink can be really small, like 1/4 of a drink (after taking famo). Drink slow, let it settle for an hour or so, then pick up the pace. I like to think of this small drink as a wake up for my body to start processing the alcohol.
I personally like shots: max effect with less loo stops!

Good on ya mate.

kia ora, hellohellohello!

You can get the generic stuff from your doctor, it's called famotidine. I get mine from my doc (I'm in NZ too) and he's cool with it.
Otherwise, I *think* that the chemist on Queen St, Auckland, in the Strand Arcade has an online shop with famo?

As always, be responsible, be safe :)

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Hey Phantastic -- just eat lightly and slowly and you should be fine :)
Welcome and I hope that you find this forum helpful!

Hey Jubes,
Welcome :)
I think that most of us have certain drinks that are worse than others.
For me, the worst is wine. Anything else seems to be ok but the cream liquors can make you feel sick if you drink lots of them, although I think that's true for the general population too!

Some people seem to be able to build up a 'tolerance' to alcohol if they drink a little bit regularly, but it's not true for everyone.
It seems that we are all doomed to pop pills in order to avoid the dreaded tomato face!

But be warned... some people have mentioned that they have built up a tolerance to pepcid! This means that they have to take more pills to do the same job that less pills did before. This is dangerous cos pepcid can only be taken in moderation and the stuff that we can't break down is slightly carcinogenic so really we shouldn't be drinking at all!

As always, do your due diligence with our advice, we are NOT doctors.
Be careful, have fun.

smithy: I think that your question should be asked to your doc or see what the zantac packet says. Don't go crazy on the pills tho guys, it may not be too good for you!

scooby: Yes, most of us definitely get drunk! Some have said that taking the pills makes them get tipsy quicker.
Does the packet of the ranitidine or gavilast say that it will make you drowsy?? If not, perhaps you should start with something like red bull and vodka?? (just an idea)

pocketman, your reaction sounds really bad. Loratadine/calartyne that Dimples suggested are OTC allergy pills. I would see your doctor.
Good luck.

I don't know about the effectiveness of the gelcap vs pill. Look at the mg dosage of famotidine. I'm guessing that if it's say 10mg then it should be just as effective as the 10mg pill?
And as with any medicine, take the pills with its packaging when travelling so that the customs people can see that it's legit medicine.

HTH

TaChang wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving all. We all need a facebook group :)

Cheers.

Hey all, it's been ages since I've caught up with all your posts!
TaChang- a FB group *might* be a good idea but to be honest I like being a bit anonymous

Tis the season to be merry and I know that I have been having a couple more drinks than usual.
But I hadn't been drinking at all over the past few months (I'm an old fart, I know!) and I think any minor advantage I had last year - when I was having a few wines a week - has gone now.
So it's back to the popping of 3x20mg, the usual 1-2 hr wait, a pre drink,  wait,  then slooooowly drinking throughout the night (although I can usually finish with all the shots I like!)

My tip: take it slowly to start, eat lightly, stick to the clear spirits (and impress your friends at the night with  tequila shots with vodka shot chasers!)

It's such hard work to drink normally ay?
Joyeux Festivus all!

Jasko, if she's a cool girl and is a good friend, you should be able to tell her and she'd understand. But in saying that, only my closest of buddies know about this 'effect' and I too am wary of who I tell. But at least now I can say that I have this condition but it can be lessened with some medicine.

If this is someone you want to party with, then it may be easier to tell her eventually... it would explain why you don't eat much and drink slowly at the start of the night! :)


8se7en: dinner parties... this becomes more of the case when you get older, not just going out for drinks only! Just eat slowly, eat lightly. Lots of leafy veggies and chicken. Not too much potato/rice/pasta or red meat

The claratyne/zantac combo: I read somewhere here to take 1 pill of each. I've tried it and it's been ok.

Good to see I'm not the only regular still here... it would be great if yaz would give your 2c worth too :D

kiwiguy25 wrote:

Hey all just come across this site (I know where have I been) but it does seem nobody seems to come on anymore reading through most this post and it ws all from last year anyhow makes me wanna try this pecid stuff. Just curious to know though most people seem to post the experiences with pecid through only having one or two beers and turning a little pink, I was more intrested in how it helps if you want to have a night out usually means 6 to 12 beers for me.

Hey there,
yeah it seems like people find the answers they're looking for, then bugger off! Hopefully I'm not the only regular still lurking around here :)

I think that most of us find that pepcid does help with a big night out. I know that without the pills I'm done for the night after 2 drinks :/
But with the pills my heart and face feel almost normal and I can drink a lot more (ie 6-15 drinks), it's just that I have to start slowly.

system wrote:

1. Is it possible to build a tolerance to the alcohol? Can your body get used to the alcohol?

From what I've seen here and my own experience... no, not really. That really sux I know.
I've increased my 'tolerance' from 1/4 a drink to about 1/2 a drink. Whoopdee-flippin-do
Some people may have better results than me, I think it all depends on how bad your flush is in the first place.

system wrote:

2. Does the damn itchiness ever stop? it's been 48 hours ...

That's not good... drink lots and lots of water. Flush the alcohol out of your system.
I think you drank too much, too quickly
Perhaps have an antihistimine? Ask your local pharmacist.

system wrote:

3. is it possible that to become sort of immune to the symptoms without taking the pepcid?
and for those who has the itchiness/hives problem, if you consistently drink or TRAIN your body to the alcohol, will the hives problem go away? what about the alcohol tolerance? will drinking daily or weekly help you take in more alcohol?

ok. I wouldn't advise in making a habit of drinking daily.
I have tried 'training' my body  (see answer 1) but it didn't really work so this is something that we have to live with.

As to your hives, drink slower to start off with and try taking a Pepcid.
But please be sensible. Take no more pills than written on the box.

Blind121 wrote:

i tried this for the first time tonight.  i took 40mg of pepcid.  im 5'6-7'' 140 lbs.

i didn't try this on an empty stomach.  had a protein shake about an hour before.
i did not take a big glass of water with pepcid.
waited 45 minutes, before my first drink.  took about 18oz in about 45 minutes proceeding the first drink.

still got red.  according to your general consensus, i did alot of things wrong.  i took another pill 30 minutes after the first drink and 2nd pill 45 minutes after the first drink.  the pulsating in the head calmed down and the redness seemingly got lighter, however, im color blind with the color red so i have difficulty seeing the redness at all.  this could be due, however, to the fact that after i have had a few drinks, the bright red goes away.  the more i drink the more it goes away.  bright red = sober, no redness = drunk.  the problem is i don't want to get flat out drunk everytime i drink. 

do you think i should up the dosage for the next time to perhaps 80mg?  going to rehab in vegas this weekend and i would prefer not to have my whole body red.

Hi Blind121!


I usually wait 1.5-2hrs before my first drink and then I drink the 1st one so slowly it's painful. But that is the only way that I've discovered to minimise the redness.

I usually have a bit of food with my drinks just because it's normally over a nice meal or something. But I do try and eat lightly.

And also, try not to worry about it cos I'm sure that when I worry about being red, I get even redder..... :(

What I would recommend, is to follow our method as above and start your evening really really slowly. Stick with the 40mg. See how that goes.

If you still have no joy, then maybe try taking ONE extra pill.

kevC wrote:

Hi all,

I've been reading the forum and the only potential side-effect that looks scary is "impotence". Is this a real side effect? Can anyone attest to it (although I don't blame people for not discussing it). 

Also, I'm going to a party this weekend and want to experiment with Pepcid AC for the first time. Any advice on how much I should take for the first time?

I'm a 5'8" ~150 lbs male.

Hi Kev,

Welcome!
Let me ask you this... how many medicines do we take that say that potential side effects are hair-loss, impotence, dizziness, your arm falls off or whatever?? I would say pretty much any medicine apart from cough syrup has some scary sounding, possible side effects.

I think that the thing to do is to exercise some common sense -- take the pills only when you really need them and take the minimum amount that you need to reduce the flush.
For me, this means 3x20mg pills which I take at most, once a week.

The general concensus here has been to:

* Not eat too much the hours leading up to your drinking -- your stomach should be pretty much empty or almost empty
* Take the pills -- I'd take 2x20mg (or 4x10mg) pills for your first time
* Have a big glass of water
* Wait at least an hour before your 1st drink
* Drink your 1st drink slowly
* Enjoy the rest of your evening!

Some people here have said that they take their 1st drink at home, so that if any redness comes up, it happens at home. Then you should be able to go out and drink normally.

For me, I can snack or eat a light meal after taking the pills. The pills still work but I do have to make sure that my first 2 drinks are sllloooowwwww ones. My first 2 drinks a painfully drawn out over at least 2 hrs. After that I am relatively fine, I can drink as much as I feel like.

Some of us have discovered that certain drinks bring on the flush worse than others. For some, it's fruity drinks, for some it's wine. But it seems that most of us are best with spirits like vodka and rum.

I personally like Caparanjas and Tequila shots (I save the shots for late in the evening!)


I think that the pills are effective for around 8hrs. I have topped up with an extra pill if the drinking session is a particulary long one, but I'm not sure if this helped or not?


Let us know how you're getting on!
Good luck :)

Oh my gosh, you poor thing...
While for the most part it sounds like you've always suffered from the dreaded glow, your sudden change in reaction is a bit concerning.

I don't think any of us get all sweaty and it sounds like you are burning up when you have even a wee bit of drink.

I would suggest going to a doctor. Maybe maybe it's just that your symptoms have gotten worse as you've gotten older I don't know. Maybe see a doc of asian background as they may be more likely to have heard of the Asian Flush.

Maybe it is hormonal, and that you have developed incredible intolerance to alcohol?

Dunno. Good luck and let us know how you're getting on.

jasko wrote:

Two drinks later I was feeling blah. Extremely drunk and now blah from eating. I knew it too. Good thing we left shortly after. It was around 11 by the time I got home. Stumbled in, went straight to the bathroom, and puked chunks. What a waste of chicken parm that was :(

All in all, I had 2 Captain and Cokes and 7 Absoluts and Pineapple. The food wasn't a wise choice.


I HATE not being able to eat and drink like normal people. Hate hate hate it.

Today is Friday and I had a heatup eggroll about an hour ago. Small food. I'm starving myself to go out and drink. Blah.

Hey guys,

If Snuffy or anyone else with pharmicist friends can ask if it's ok to take pepcid and gaviscon together? Or zantac, claratyne and gaviscon?

I've mentioned a few times that a mate of mine takes Gaviscon to prevent puking when drinking but no one has said whether they've tried it or not... but I would want to make sure that it's ok to take with pepcid first. You guys who suffer from the pukes, like our friend Jasko here, could ask their local pharmacist themselves. I'm lucky that I don't suffer from the pukes so I haven't had the need to find out.

I sympathise greatly with you Jasko... half the fun of going to a wedding is having lots of yummy food!! But do you think part of your puking was cos you drank too quickly? 9 drinks in like 4 hrs would be a lot for me. And my first puke in like over 10 yrs was when I drank too quickly... just a thought?

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Use this thread to discuss any side-effects or any long-term health concerns, that you have from taking pepcid.

You can also use this area to discuss any unusual symptoms that you normally get from drinking (with or without pepcid), like feeling nauseous and/or puking after a sip or 2 of alcohol.


Here's a starter for discussion... I'll move other relevant posts once I work out how to do it! ;)

gilwood wrote:

However, I've been noticed weird side effects lately, like I've gotten sick more times this year than ever before.  My neck glands gets swollen here and there for no reason.  I also have a hard time sleeping, I used to be able to sleep 8 hours no problem.  Now I can't sleep more than 5 hours.  Plus, I read about this scary article that the cure might cause impotence!!

Great to hear that you have found some new confidence with pepcid. :)
About your health, have you spoken to your doctor about your swollen glands? Have you told them that you've been takig pepcid? Does the doctor think that taking pepcid has contributed to your health problems? Do you have hyper-thyroid? -- ie your thyroid is working overtime hence the swelling and lack of sleep.
Let us know what your doctor says and if they think it's related to your pepcid use.


It would be interesting for us to know how regularly you take the pills and how many mg you take each time.

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gilwood wrote:

However, I've been noticed weird side effects lately, like I've gotten sick more times this year than ever before.  My neck glands gets swollen here and there for no reason.  I also have a hard time sleeping, I used to be able to sleep 8 hours no problem.  Now I can't sleep more than 5 hours.  Plus, I read about this scary article that the cure might cause impotence!!

Great to hear that you have found some new confidence with pepcid. :)
About your health, have you spoken to your doctor about your swollen glands? Have you told them that you've been takig pepcid? Does the doctor think that taking pepcid has contributed to your health problems? Do you have hyper-thyroid? -- ie your thyroid is working overtime hence the swelling and lack of sleep.
Let us know what your doctor says and if they think it's related to your pepcid use.


It would be interesting for us to know how regularly you take the pills and how many mg you take each time.

jasko wrote:

Hrrm, since the thread has been dying down. Please share your recent experiences with the pepcid and drinking...... good or bad.

Try to be specific. You know, how many you took, how many MG they were, if you ate, how much you drank, etc etc.



ok...............

The best time to write is after a couple of wines, eh?1 ;)

today I took Claratyne+Zantac combo cos my famo supplies are running very low...

10 mg loratidine (Claratyne)
1 pill zantac

had a light dinner
waited about an hour between taking pills and first drink

drank 3/4 glass wine in about 30 mins. This is usually really bad news for me cos the pills don't seem to work very well with wine for me.

cheeks rosy but ok

another 1.5-2 glasses of wine over 2 hrs. This is fast drinking for me. I have to admit that I'm a wee bit tipsy and my typing is pretty crap.

Cheeks a little rosy but body not rosy. For me, this means that the pills are working. Hurray!
Makeup will mask most of the rosiness ;)

What normally happens is if the pills are working, my face can still get a little rosy if I drink too fast, which is ok I guess. But if the pills aren't working or I haven't taken any pills, then my face goes beet red and I get splotchy red patches on my neck, decolletage, tummy and legs.

I will of course have to experiment more to make sure that this result wasn't a once-off.
How are the rest of yaz doin?

sweetpea wrote:

i suffer from them!!! i know how you feel.. can anyone help me n dizzyhytes

Hey Sweetpea,

I thought that you'd be able to tell us if Pepcid helps with the tiredness/pukey-ness cos you've been taking the pills??

A friend who doesn't suffer from the Blush but does get the pukey-ness, said that she takes Gaviscon before drinking - anyone else tried this?

luvablepnai wrote:

I'm filipino and I drink occasionally.  Last night I had one mixed drink and a sip of champagne. Right before I went to bed I started getting itchu on the lower portion of my back and on my stomach.  When i woke up, the parts that itchy were beet red and were still itchy like crazy.  This is the third time it happened.  I don't drink beer and wine.  I usually just go for lighter drinks.  The first time this happened I drank 2 mix drinks and the second time I only drank 1 smirnoff. But after doing a little research..I am still confused.  I would very much like it if someone would just please clarify what is going on. Is it allergy?or what?... Thankz so much in advance.

I get a wee bit itchy on my stomach when I drink without Pepcid. I think it is a common effect of the *fantastic* Flush ;)

And yes, this happens with me if I drink only one drink -- if I drink it slower, I still turn a beautiful tomato red but without the itchyness.

You could try:
* drinking slower
* drinking slower and with a glass of water
* try our friend Pepcid (don't eat, have 1x20mg of pepcid, wait an hour, drink slowly)
* If your face doesn't go red, perhaps you could just try an allergy pill like Claratyne? According to my generic Claratyne (loratadine) it says its good for: "symptoms associated with perennial and seasonal rhinitis (hayfever) such as sneezing, nasal discharge and itching as well as itching and burning of the eyes. Loratadine is also indicated for the relief of symptoms and signs of chronic urticaria (hives) and other allergic skin disorders."

Just remember... please be careful when taking any pills. We aren't doctors and good common-sense should be exercised!!

Dimples25 wrote:

I still have yet to try the ranitidie and clarintine combo some people say is effective too. But clarintine is expensive here is australia! while pepcid is cheapish... $20-30 here for 20mg 60 pack. Generic ebay stuff is just as effective as well. dont be afraid to buy off ebay... been totally legit stuff.

Hope this helps anyone!

Hey Dimps,

Claratine is expensive here in NZ too... about NZ$1-2 per pill! But, like Pepcid, there is a generic version with the same active ingredient. It's called Loratadine. I've got a bottle of 10mg pills which is the same as Claratine.

I do have to admit that I've only tried the clar/zantac combo only 2x and was a bit over enthusiastic and drank my 1st drink too fast so still turned red. So I have yet to experiment with the proper routine to see if it really works!

David wrote:

well i give up. i took 4 pepcid AC pills, on an empty stomach, 2 hours before my first drink, and STILL had the same problems. oh well, maybe next time ill pop 10 pills!

im begginin to think its an allergy or sumit. maybe the pills just dont work for me.

i think ill just have to tolerate the embarassment of going red and forget about it. I still had a great night out despite looking like a freak in all the photos!

I'm sorry to hear that Pepcid didn't work for you. My last suggestion would be to try the Zantac+Claratyne combo (1 pill of each). Use the same method as Pepcid, but have Zantac+Claratyne instead.

Anybody else have any suggestions for David? We all know how liberating it is to be able to drink so let's give our mate David a hand! :)

David: I would suggest making sure that you have an almost empty stomach when taking the pills and during the waiting period. I would also suggest drinking the 1st drink really slowly (like an hour or so) and perhaps waiting a wee bit longer before having your first drink.

If you have to eat, eat lightly and slowly. I find this helps too.

Stick with the 2 pills, I would try the suggestions above to see if this helps you. If not, then you could possibly consider uping your dosage to 3 pills.

Good luck and happy birthday!


Takezou -- thanks for your input. Yes it seems that a few of us are rather concerned about the levels of acetaldehyde in our system when we drink. I will start up a new thread over the next few days where we can discuss this and any possible cancer risk. For any of you medical/chemistry types out there, we'd love your input in this thread once it's started up.

Also, it seems that we are getting a lot of new people here which is great :)
But I reckon we could do with a 'beginners guide to...' thread which outlines the general procedure and thoughts that most of us appear to have. Again, I'll start this up over the next week or so.