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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi i have just recieved pepcid AC 60 pack in the mail from the US.
I have noticed that they expire in this month, 01/07.
Is it bad to use these pills when they become expired? The container still has its seal intact.

702 (edited by David 2007-01-03 17:19:54)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi, I have only just today discovered the curse that is Asian Flush! All this time I thought I was a freek and just a lightweight drinker, but now I that its an actual condition and theres stuff to help stop it, I cant believe im so late! Im half Chinese, male, 20 years old, and hate this curse soooo much.

After one pint of beer, i get all the symtpoms that have been discussed, turn red, increased heartbeat, headache, red eyes, bla ba bla. Being at uni, with all the drinking that goes on, its just so annoying and embarassing when i look so freeky after just one drink. Pub drinking is the worse, or any drinking in lighted rooms. I usually just make an excuse to not drink in the pub on a night out, and just meet them at the club later. I wish i could just sit in a pub and have a few pints and still look the same after! Why did God have to pick on the Asians!

Im in the UK, and I've just ordered some Pepcid AC from the States. I hope it comes before my 21st birthday in a few weeks time!

This forum is amazing, Mr Cheng should be knighted!

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hey all.. can some1 please tell me how to reduce the pounding head and heavy thick hard breathing + da red face .. but i know that da pills do that but which one works the best to reduce the other effects??

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

sweetpea wrote:

hey all.. can some1 please tell me how to reduce the pounding head and heavy thick hard breathing + da red face .. but i know that da pills do that but which one works the best to reduce the other effects??

Hi Sweetpea,

I thought you know about the secret of Pepcid?? Perhaps you need to increase your dosage or wait longer before drinking? Also drinking on an almost empty stomach seems to be best.

Most of us find that either pepcid, or the claratine/zantac combo work.

It may take some experimentation on dosage and timing for you to find out what works best for you. Perhaps let us know what your routine is now and someone may have a suggestion that may help you.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

KMan wrote:

I think the jury is still out on Cheerz. The research is not convincing and many posters in this forum say they still go red with it, i.e. the Acetaldehyde is still there.

I have posted earlier about a Cysteine. However, there are a whole other set of issues about delivering Cysteine to target acetaldehyde. I believe there is a focused discussion on that itself. There are some pending patents for a kind of slow release cysteine combined with some other chemicals. For now, I would suggest not trying to push yourself.

I don't know if you will push up your "tolerance", but think about it this way... Acetaldehyde is poisonous. Does it make sense to drink more and more of a poison to try to increase your "tolerance" to the poison? In the process, you will be seriously poisoning yourself.

So this whole not breaking down acetaldehyde causes redness right? And pepcid only hides the effects. So everyone that uses pepcid should be in the same situation as me right when you drink like 6 beers you start to feel the puking sensation your body is trying to tell you to stop drinking...

There are some people who can drink freely like 10+ beers without the sick feeling. They still have the acetaldehyde in them right? since pepcid only hides the effects. the non breaking down of acetaldehyde is what causes this feeling right? so how can other people who have the asian blush (who take pepcid) be able to drink 10+ beers without this sick puking body rejecting feeling?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

anff wrote:

Hi i have just recieved pepcid AC 60 pack in the mail from the US.
I have noticed that they expire in this month, 01/07.
Is it bad to use these pills when they become expired? The container still has its seal intact.

Many experts believe that most medications will continue to be effective and safe for quite a while after the expiration date has passed.  Clearly there is some "reasonable" limit to this (I'd say taking something that expired 5 years ago is potentially pushing the limits.  My wife is a registered nurse (with a PhD in nursing research) who says that while it is illegal for healthcare professionals to administer medications past their expiration date, many believe that millions (billions?) of dollars worth of good medications are wasted every year.  Clearly this is a boon to drug manufacturers.

My own personal recommendation is that you probably don't need to dump them out on once February hits.  The common belief is that after a prolonged time, the meds may lose their effectiveness, however this probably doesn't happen immediately.

I also came across this article which makes many of the same points:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/he … 2392.story

Hope that helps.

-S

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

BIG question??
i have a neice who is 16 years old. I was watching her for the weekend while my sister and her husband left for a trip. She gets really red when she drinks because you know asian dads they let their kids take a sip. I let her go out with her friends and when she went out i found pepcid AC in her bag. Im concerned because she is young.

Is it safe for someone her age to be using this or no?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Lindsey wrote:

BIG question??
i have a neice who is 16 years old. I was watching her for the weekend while my sister and her husband left for a trip. She gets really red when she drinks because you know asian dads they let their kids take a sip. I let her go out with her friends and when she went out i found pepcid AC in her bag. Im concerned because she is young.

Is it safe for someone her age to be using this or no?

As I and others have said in previous posts, underage drinking is not something we generally condone or encourage.  That said, we all know that it happens.

I don't believe anyone who has been participating in this forum is really in a position to speak definitively to the actual scientific/medical effects of this "experimentation" with Pepcid.  My honest recommendation would be to be upfront with a family physician about it.

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hi. i just recently learned of this pepcid ac thing from my cousin & i'm really hoping it works & this forum has encouraged me to try it. i turn horribly red after literally 3 sips of beer and i get that pounding headache and heart racing, the whole works.  & yeah, i get tired of explaining why i get so red and telling people i'm fine when they ask me if i'm okay.  & my friends saying "you're red." yeah i know. haha. anyway i'm drinking this weekend so hopefully pepcid will work.  i'm only 17 and i'm 5'5" and 103 lbs. i'm just have a high metabolism, i'm not unhealthy or anything.  i actually eat a lot. but i'm wondering if i should take a smaller dosage because i'm so light and when?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I know this isn't the right place to post this, but since this gets the most hits I figure why not?
Apparently there is a make up coming out by Chanel, it's all in this link for people who have erythrophobia (fear of blushing), but since the goal us and people who fear blushing is well....going red!! Since it works on the premise of heat induced blushing it won't matter whether or not it's from alcohol or social anxiety. Check it out. But you know...always have doubts until it comes out and people actually try it out.

http://www.esfbchannel.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2016

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hmm, dont know if that would work for us asian blushers. it only seems to hide the blush. i mean that would be cool, but wot about the increase heartrate, headaches, red eyes, bla bla bla.

sounds like a good product, but we need sumit to work the magic in our stomachs! all that enzyme stuff innit (i wish i could sound intellectual!)

plus, im a man, i dont wear make-up! hehe.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I mean for me the biggest problem is the blushing, I can really handle the rest pretty well.
And yeah well it's make up, but it's a thermopigment and...yeah it's make up.

713 (edited by true believer 2007-01-13 21:25:45)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hi im from australia as well

i highly doubt i will get a script for pepcidine from my doctor because hes really conservative and doesn't of approve of my weekly boozing.

so my only options are getting them off ebay or my mates dad who owns a pharmacy.

the probelm with both of this was if the tablets would get through customs? (since its only available thru scripts here). From what i've read theres only been 1 package actaully succesffuly sent thru?

i just wanted to make sure that the shit i pay for arrives instead of getting stuck at customs.

also if i got my mates dad to get me some pepcidine from his pharmacy would it be likely he would get in trouble?
he occasionally gets broken into by people wanting that drug that contains shit that makes ectasy? so i was wondering he could of just written it off as loss goods or stolen goods?

ne help

! i need this shit

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hey Im feeling you man lol i need this shit to!!! i have been trying to figure a way of getting them but i cant!! i dont got a credit card to get pepcid over internet and i cant get pepcid/famo over the counter because im living in new zealand.. that can get hold of it in new zealand help me out just a little. i will do anything lol! my social life is getting worse and worse as weekends go on.. i am always the sober one at the partys which isnt very fun..and EVERYTIME .. some1 from somewhere out of the blues at the party goes wanna drink??! no1 else gets offered a drink besides from me.. and i always have to turn it down.. n say i dont drink.. which then drags on into a long convo about..y i cant..

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

sweetpea wrote:

Hey Im feeling you man lol i need this shit to!!! i have been trying to figure a way of getting them but i cant!! i dont got a credit card to get pepcid over internet and i cant get pepcid/famo over the counter because im living in new zealand.. that can get hold of it in new zealand help me out just a little. i will do anything lol! my social life is getting worse and worse as weekends go on.. i am always the sober one at the partys which isnt very fun..and EVERYTIME .. some1 from somewhere out of the blues at the party goes wanna drink??! no1 else gets offered a drink besides from me.. and i always have to turn it down.. n say i dont drink.. which then drags on into a long convo about..y i cant..

Sweetpea darlin'... get yourself a PrezzyCard from a PostShop! I've bought one and its great (I use mine for nights out, instead of carrying my real credit card)
http://www.nzpost.co.nz/Cultures/en-NZ/ … rezzyCard/

Or, use the Zantac + Claratyne combo.

I have just had a holiday and was drinking every night (usually only 2-3 beers/alcopops). The famo worked a treat. I love that stuff! :)



TrueBel: You could ask your mate's dad if he can get some pills for you -- the worst that he'd say is 'no'. It's not a majorly restricted drug (as far as I know) so I don't think he'd get into trouble for giving you some. I imagine that he can just put it through as a normal sale. After all, it is just a pill for stomach complaints! ;)

716 (edited by Dimples25 2007-01-14 16:02:23)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

true believer wrote:

hi im from australia as well

i highly doubt i will get a script for pepcidine from my doctor because hes really conservative and doesn't of approve of my weekly boozing.

so my only options are getting them off ebay or my mates dad who owns a pharmacy.

the probelm with both of this was if the tablets would get through customs? (since its only available thru scripts here). From what i've read theres only been 1 package actaully succesffuly sent thru?

i just wanted to make sure that the shit i pay for arrives instead of getting stuck at customs.

also if i got my mates dad to get me some pepcidine from his pharmacy would it be likely he would get in trouble?
he occasionally gets broken into by people wanting that drug that contains shit that makes ectasy? so i was wondering he could of just written it off as loss goods or stolen goods?

ne help

! i need this shit

True Believer.... yes we all need this shit...I am from Aust and i bought this off ebay with my credit card. Yes it does get checked by customs but they wont confiscate off you. They just open up the package have a look, let the dogs smell it, see if its legit and then sticky tape ur package up again.

My ebay seller said they were vitamins. Look as long as your not shipping drugs then u shouldnt worry too much. As for time and delivery... it took about 2 weeks for mine to reach my door from the US. My seller was PharmIntnl or something on those lines. I wrote about this a few pages back (20-25, somewhere there!). I bought the generic brand Kirklands and yes it is the same stuff. Got like 100 10mg tablets for $10 all up i think.

Ur friends dad should be able to give it to u with no major dramas i think... . U can buy it over the counter everywhere else!

So good luck in your purchases! its not going to hurt if you lose $10! think about your social life! I keep the bottle/pack in all my handbags.... so if i know im going to go out for drinks i'll just pop a few and feel confident that i can kick back and have a few beers without going red!

Im actually lucky, my cousins hubby is a doctor and wrote me like a neverending script for Pepcidine! heheh

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

oh cool thanks a billion
ill ask my mates friend first
then if tha fails ebay seems a pretty sure way to get it

:)

yay i can't wait to try it

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

thank you steph you are a legend lol i will repost as soon as i get hold of these pills and tell ya'll about the experimenting

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

is the claratyne used to stop the pepcid ac from making you vomit after only a couple of drinks?

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hmm, my pepcid ac came today from USA. to experiment, i took 2 pills, waited an hour, and have just had a beer. i still seem to be having the same problems i usually do after a beer. im maybe a LITTLE bit less red than normal, but its nor ideal.

do u suggest that i take more pills? like 4 or 5? im kinda worried bout takin that much tho!

any advice would be appreciated, its my bday 2moro nite, and theres LOTS of drinking planned!

David.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I have been following this thread for a few months.  However, this is my first post.  I am full japanese, 25y/o, 5'11", and weigh 145lbs.  Before Pepcid, I would flush strongly upon the first drink, but usually continued to drink 3 or 4 more, thinking, 'If I am going to look like a clown, I should be able at least to have some fun of my own.'

Since discovering this site, I am grateful to the forum members that my alcohol awareness has gone up.   Yes, 20mg of Pepcid A/C takes most of my social anxieties away, but the recent discussions of acetaldehyde have made me if anything, more conscientious about drinking.  If there is a increased risk of cancer for H2 blocker takers, as it sounds like there may be, I feel that it is important that we all have a forum for discussion, not just to verify the effectiveness of pepcid ac, but also of the consequences.

Yeah, it sucks that I'm not exclusively talking about the 12 shots I can pound in 5 seconds and being a Certified Party Dawg in the spirit of alcohol.   I hate to imagine seven years down the road, if people should start pointing to this forum as the fork in the road that led them to their cancer diagnosis. 

For this reason, it may be a good idea to open up a separate thread for the discussion of acetaldehyde. 

KMan has posted the results of an interesting study on the effects of blood-alcohol levels for the various H2 Blockers out there.  I would be very interested if someone could post a link or a journal name for this study.  He also hypothesizes that the ordinary levels of blood-alcohol for Pepcid A/C mean increased levels of acetaldehyde.  I will say right up front that I know absolutely squat about the real process of alcohol processing.  Still, to be the naive devil's advocate, I'd like to know why he rules out the possibility that a) less alcohol is absorbed into the blood stream, and b) that the increased acetaldehyde is broken down faster somehow by the drug(pepcid)

Thanks and keep up the good work.

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

David: I would suggest making sure that you have an almost empty stomach when taking the pills and during the waiting period. I would also suggest drinking the 1st drink really slowly (like an hour or so) and perhaps waiting a wee bit longer before having your first drink.

If you have to eat, eat lightly and slowly. I find this helps too.

Stick with the 2 pills, I would try the suggestions above to see if this helps you. If not, then you could possibly consider uping your dosage to 3 pills.

Good luck and happy birthday!


Takezou -- thanks for your input. Yes it seems that a few of us are rather concerned about the levels of acetaldehyde in our system when we drink. I will start up a new thread over the next few days where we can discuss this and any possible cancer risk. For any of you medical/chemistry types out there, we'd love your input in this thread once it's started up.

Also, it seems that we are getting a lot of new people here which is great :)
But I reckon we could do with a 'beginners guide to...' thread which outlines the general procedure and thoughts that most of us appear to have. Again, I'll start this up over the next week or so.

723 (edited by ace.of.spades 2007-01-15 20:01:40)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hello all, this is my first post. I'm absolutely loving this site and i am convinced that reading the advice given on this site will help me cure my asian flush.
I am about 5'2, and i love to party out hard, but i have a problem when it comes to alcohol. I can't drink as much as i want to because of the stupid 'asian flush', it only takes me say 1/2 a can of beer to get me red in the face and experiencing some of the symptons of the 'asian flush'. I live in Australia, and i am not too sure if Pepcid is available here, but i am hoping to know if there is something else i can take (mylanta or anything else available in Aus???) that will help reduce the redness and accelerated heartrate etc.
So please help me it is very much appreciated. :)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hey Steph, maybe you should put up a thread - "Where to get Pepcid in Australia, NZ and UK??" and outline places like Ebay, Amazon or just any other random places you can get it over the net.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

ace.of.spades wrote:

Hello all, this is my first post. I'm absolutely loving this site and i am convinced that reading the advice given on this site will help me cure my asian flush.
I am about 5'2, and i love to party out hard, but i have a problem when it comes to alcohol. I can't drink as much as i want to because of the stupid 'asian flush', it only takes me say 1/2 a can of beer to get me red in the face and experiencing some of the symptons of the 'asian flush'. I live in Australia, and i am not too sure if Pepcid is available here, but i am hoping to know if there is something else i can take (mylanta or anything else available in Aus???) that will help reduce the redness and accelerated heartrate etc.
So please help me it is very much appreciated. :)

hi see my post previous page. No u cant get it in Australia unless u can get a script. Best option if you have a credit card buy it off Ebay. Its legit....