Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

yeah thats really sad.. :(.. could we get a new liver and b able to drink or what?? i drank the other day.. i took a c + zantac combo.. n drank a bit of wine n i started getting hungry and cudnt help but eat haha and then redness came back..

777 (edited by dizzyhytes 2007-04-16 09:12:31)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi my problem is not just that I go bright red, but that I have a horrible headache and suffer from extreme drowsiness nearly immediately.  After half a drink.  I fall asleep wherever I happen to be, at a bar, on a sofa in a club, standing up...My tolerance is so low that I also throw up if I have about 2 glasses of wine (if I manage to stay awake long enough to consume them).  I also get really cold after a few drinks and start shivering.

Does anyone suffer from these symptoms too?  And does anyone know if pepcid or other H2 blockers work for these symptoms too? I don't even care about being red as a beetroot, I just want to neutralise the sleepiness/puking/shivering so that every once in a while I can go and get as drunk as my friends without passing out.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

i suffer from them!!! i know how you feel.. can anyone help me n dizzyhytes

779

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

sweetpea wrote:

i suffer from them!!! i know how you feel.. can anyone help me n dizzyhytes

Hey Sweetpea,

I thought that you'd be able to tell us if Pepcid helps with the tiredness/pukey-ness cos you've been taking the pills??

A friend who doesn't suffer from the Blush but does get the pukey-ness, said that she takes Gaviscon before drinking - anyone else tried this?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

no.. iv only taken claratyne and zantac

781

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hrrm, since the thread has been dying down. Please share your recent experiences with the pepcid and drinking...... good or bad.

Try to be specific. You know, how many you took, how many MG they were, if you ate, how much you drank, etc etc.



ok...............

782

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jasko wrote:

Hrrm, since the thread has been dying down. Please share your recent experiences with the pepcid and drinking...... good or bad.

Try to be specific. You know, how many you took, how many MG they were, if you ate, how much you drank, etc etc.



ok...............

The best time to write is after a couple of wines, eh?1 ;)

today I took Claratyne+Zantac combo cos my famo supplies are running very low...

10 mg loratidine (Claratyne)
1 pill zantac

had a light dinner
waited about an hour between taking pills and first drink

drank 3/4 glass wine in about 30 mins. This is usually really bad news for me cos the pills don't seem to work very well with wine for me.

cheeks rosy but ok

another 1.5-2 glasses of wine over 2 hrs. This is fast drinking for me. I have to admit that I'm a wee bit tipsy and my typing is pretty crap.

Cheeks a little rosy but body not rosy. For me, this means that the pills are working. Hurray!
Makeup will mask most of the rosiness ;)

What normally happens is if the pills are working, my face can still get a little rosy if I drink too fast, which is ok I guess. But if the pills aren't working or I haven't taken any pills, then my face goes beet red and I get splotchy red patches on my neck, decolletage, tummy and legs.

I will of course have to experiment more to make sure that this result wasn't a once-off.
How are the rest of yaz doin?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hi, im a 'non-asian' sufferer. its only recently that ive started getting a pretty severe 'flush' as many describe, all over my face. Needless to say im paled skinned, so its VERY noticeable and looks like a massive blotchy rash.

its v.unpredicatable, but i get it worst when i drink the day after drinking, or only leave two/three days before drinking again.

ive tried pepcid. started on 20mg, which did v.little. up't it too 40mg, with mixed results.

-on one occassion it left me without any flush whatsover (BONUS!)-  but another time it was REALLY bad, even tho i hadent had a drink for nearly 2 weeks.

its made me think i may have something slightly different to asian flush, as i only get the 'flush' symptom, plus it varies with severity.

- SO i wouldnt let this put you off pepcid, seems like it does the trick for most in this forum.

-is there any other caucasians who has something similar to me? if so, what have you done to help it? or, does anyone know what it could be?

thanks.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi sorry for the long delay but I have been testing the pepcid.  I've done it about 4 times, but slightly inconsistently.  I've taken 2 pepcid 20mg tablets before drinking but only twice did I take them at least 30-45 minutes before drinking, and without eating.

The times I took them without food and a reasonable period before, I was able to drink considerable amounts more than usual with nearly no flushing.  First time I drank 4 glasses of sake in about 2 hours, followed by 2 large glasses for vodka/tonic.  Was tipsy but no redness.

Second time I had dinner but didn't start drinking til at least 3 hours later.  I took the pepcid 2.5 hours after eating, and was also able to drink lots of vodka.  I got really drunk that night...it was great :)

The other two times I drank less than 10 minutes after taking the pills and once was right after eating.  The flushing was still less than normal, but the side effects - headache, extreme sleepiness - came almost immediately.  No shivering although I didn't really drink enough to tell.

Sweetpea, so far I would say the pepcid works quite well if you follow the rule of thumb: no eating and at least 30-45 mins before drinking.  The other side effects are also dimished slightly when I follow these rules and only appear after 4 or 5 drinks.  I still find that the headaches and sleepiness are quite bad especially if I don't follow them, so I will try and combine a tylenol with it and see if that works.  I think it should.

Anyway, will post again as I continue the experiment....DZ

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

So I've been reading this board for a few weeks and decided to buy some Pepcid and start experimenting with the so called Flush. 

Experiment #1
Took 2 Pepcid ACs 20mg each and did not eat anything.  Took pills about 30 mins before drinking.  Drank 2 Blue Moons and was feeling good.  Normally when I drink Blue Moon, I get red REALLY fast but this time, I was barely red and my face wasn't burning up.

Experiment #2
Took 3 Pepcid ACs 20mg each and ate some food before taking the tablets.  Took the pills about 1 hour before I started drinking.  I had 2 Captain N Cokes, 1 Magarita, and 3 Miller Lites.  I was definitely buzz but I was not red at all.  I was a little pink but nothing like I normally would get! 

Woke up both mornings feeling just fine.  No side effects from it.

So far, the tablets seems to work extremely well.  Will post more results as soon as I can test it

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

dizzyhytes wrote:

Hi sorry for the long delay but I have been testing the pepcid.  I've done it about 4 times, but slightly inconsistently.  I've taken 2 pepcid 20mg tablets before drinking but only twice did I take them at least 30-45 minutes before drinking, and without eating.

The times I took them without food and a reasonable period before, I was able to drink considerable amounts more than usual with nearly no flushing.  First time I drank 4 glasses of sake in about 2 hours, followed by 2 large glasses for vodka/tonic.  Was tipsy but no redness.

Second time I had dinner but didn't start drinking til at least 3 hours later.  I took the pepcid 2.5 hours after eating, and was also able to drink lots of vodka.  I got really drunk that night...it was great :)

The other two times I drank less than 10 minutes after taking the pills and once was right after eating.  The flushing was still less than normal, but the side effects - headache, extreme sleepiness - came almost immediately.  No shivering although I didn't really drink enough to tell.

Sweetpea, so far I would say the pepcid works quite well if you follow the rule of thumb: no eating and at least 30-45 mins before drinking.  The other side effects are also dimished slightly when I follow these rules and only appear after 4 or 5 drinks.  I still find that the headaches and sleepiness are quite bad especially if I don't follow them, so I will try and combine a tylenol with it and see if that works.  I think it should.

Anyway, will post again as I continue the experiment....DZ

Hi dizzyhytes,

I would really advise against combining a tylenol and drinking.  A really good friend of mine is a pharmacist and tells me that Tylenol (acetaminophen) is primarily absorbed into the body by the liver and really gives the liver a good workout.  Alcohol also makes the liver work hard.  combining the two is generally considered a bad idea.  A quick Google search reveals several articles which talk about this:

http://media.www.michigandaily.com/medi … 9394.shtml

http://www.anosos.com/Content/Articles/ … t_mix.aspx

Not trying to preach, but rather just making sure we all enjoy life safely!


-S

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hi I would like to post my experience with pepcid AC. I read that it works so I bought a box of it and try it out. I first started by drinking at home after eating 3-4 pills with no food. It seems to work well for me
Last week I went out drikning with my friends, and I ate 4 pills 1.5 hrs before drinking. I starting drinking lots of alcohol. Around 3/4 of a bottle of johnnie walker. I got so wasted that night I completely passed out. I dont even remember what happened that night, someone had to carry me home. It was a really scary experience, I can normally drink alot and dont get wasted. Wat happened on that night has never happend to me before in my life, drinking till i duno what happened.
I wasnt sure if its the pepcid AC tats causing me to get knock out so easily so i tried it again 2 nights ago. I ate 2 pepcid AC before going out drinking. And this time i drink slowly, I think in 2 hrs I drank half a bottle of whiskey. Whats weird is I wasnt really feeling drunk, but then all of a sudden I just pass out completely. And my friend had to drag me home. I seriously dont think I'll ever try pepcid AC again, it messes me up so bad I really regret trying it out. Its like im just drinking and  I know that im not even close to being drunk yet, and all of a sudden you just go BAM and falls asleep. I have never experience anything like that. It was a reallllyyyyyyyy bad experience.
I can normally drink alot of alcohol even with asian flush. For those of you who wants to try out pepcid ac, i suggest you try it out at home first. You dont want to go out drinking and get knocked out like me. It was reallyy emberassing. I have never gotta that drunk ever in my life. And i got knocked out twice in a row. seriously
I dont even know how to explain to my friends. I told em I took lotsa valium before I went out because I was depressed, I told them it must be the valium that knocked me out.

788 (edited by Hate red 2007-05-07 17:28:36)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Ok. I am 100% Korean, male, 178cm & 71kg. I took 4 pills of 10mg Pepcid 2 hours after having a relatively
light dinner and started drinking Soju(distilled & hard liquor, alcohol 21%) 50 minutes later.

I would say 50% out of 100% for elimination of the beet redness that I usually go to after two small
glasses(50cc) of Soju. It helped but not as much as I expected.

Is there a difference of effectiveness between 10mg pill and 20 mg pill? I normally consume a bottle
of Soju(360ml) in an hour and had the same last night without experiencing that my alcohol tolerance
went down. I did not have any food while drinking, usually I do,  except very small amount of tiny
pieces of dried fishes.

I just wish that I could be 100% free from the flush. Taking more pills would help?
Any inputs will be very much appreciated.

Thanks

789 (edited by jasko 2007-05-11 12:01:04)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hello my fellow sufferers.


So I was at my friends wedding this past Saturday night. You know what that means to most, woooooooo hoooooo!! Tons of great food and open bar!! Yay normal people! Not I though. I spent half my day planning out how much to drink, when to take the pills, how much water to drink. All that stuff. Even at the wedding I was like that lol.

So yeah, I took 3 20mg Pepcids at around 430. The reception started at 530. It was very short. It was over at about 545 ish. Anyway, after that..... open bar began.

They were serving tonsssssss of appetizers during this period where everyone was socializing. I was ordering Absolut + Pineapple most of the night.

I had to cave in and eat SOME appetizers. Small things, finger foods. Anyway, I was fine.

Later was the dinner. This DELICIOUS Italian food. I'm sitting at a table of around 10 people with this plate of food in front of me feeling like a weirdo for not eating. So I ate this piece of chicken parm that was on the plate, that's it. It was very good! I was fine at this time. (this was about 5 drinks into it).

Two drinks later I was feeling blah. Extremely drunk and now blah from eating. I knew it too. Good thing we left shortly after. It was around 11 by the time I got home. Stumbled in, went straight to the bathroom, and puked chunks. What a waste of chicken parm that was :(

All in all, I had 2 Captain and Cokes and 7 Absoluts and Pineapple. The food wasn't a wise choice.


I HATE not being able to eat and drink like normal people. Hate hate hate it.

Today is Friday and I had a heatup eggroll about an hour ago. Small food. I'm starving myself to go out and drink. Blah.

790

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

jasko wrote:

Two drinks later I was feeling blah. Extremely drunk and now blah from eating. I knew it too. Good thing we left shortly after. It was around 11 by the time I got home. Stumbled in, went straight to the bathroom, and puked chunks. What a waste of chicken parm that was :(

All in all, I had 2 Captain and Cokes and 7 Absoluts and Pineapple. The food wasn't a wise choice.


I HATE not being able to eat and drink like normal people. Hate hate hate it.

Today is Friday and I had a heatup eggroll about an hour ago. Small food. I'm starving myself to go out and drink. Blah.

Hey guys,

If Snuffy or anyone else with pharmicist friends can ask if it's ok to take pepcid and gaviscon together? Or zantac, claratyne and gaviscon?

I've mentioned a few times that a mate of mine takes Gaviscon to prevent puking when drinking but no one has said whether they've tried it or not... but I would want to make sure that it's ok to take with pepcid first. You guys who suffer from the pukes, like our friend Jasko here, could ask their local pharmacist themselves. I'm lucky that I don't suffer from the pukes so I haven't had the need to find out.

I sympathise greatly with you Jasko... half the fun of going to a wedding is having lots of yummy food!! But do you think part of your puking was cos you drank too quickly? 9 drinks in like 4 hrs would be a lot for me. And my first puke in like over 10 yrs was when I drank too quickly... just a thought?

791 (edited by jasko 2007-05-11 15:15:34)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

lol nope Steph. Whenever I drink and eat, it's curtains.

Usually when I'm done drinking I can eat whatever and just pass out. But this night was in the middle of drinking.

Even the previous post I made about the Italian Restaurant I went to..... I ate about an hour before I went out and I was in the bathroom for like 10 minutes yacking it up while I was out drinking. (in between the first and second drink)

I mean, I don't mind puking. If it makes me feel better then I'll actually swallow my fingers to make it come up.  I usually feel better afterwards. I want to eat though!!!!!!!!! :-|


and lately I've been "pre-drinking" also. so if I DO get any red, it will occur before I head out. Like right now I'm probably going to go out in an hour and I'm sipping on some Capt. and Coke. My face feels heated a lil, but I look fine in the mirror. Took 3 20mg Pepcids again.

Stomachs practically empty. I feel that ache for food :(
Anyway, I'm slightly buzzing.

I've noticed that the key is to just drink water inbetween if you can, if not just try to make yourself pee a lot to get the alcohol out of your body. You'll still feel the effects of what you drank, but it's not sitting in your system anymore.

792 (edited by Hate red 2007-05-11 18:44:14)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi! I have been feeling bloated for 3 days in a row after taking 4 10mg Pepcid.
Anyone out there experierenced this?
The pills seem working for me with more than a half percent of the usual redness being eliminated
but I am a little bit concerned about feeling heavy on my stomach for the last few days.

And my earlier question. Are there any effect difference between 10mg * 4 pills and 20mg * 2 pills?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

okay, after several months of trying pepcid, there are some of my observations:

- effectiveness varies.  when you last ate, what types of drinks you have, types of activity (dancing/clubbing or just chillin'), etc.

- even when it "works", it will only help to reduce the redness.  it does NOT seem to help with the other symptoms, such as the increased heartbeat and that "not-quite-a-headache" type feeling.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Thank you for having this forum on the topic. I have had some very serious and scary developments in the last 9 months and have been surfing around looking for answers to what the heck is going on.

Here's my history and I appreciate ANY input or advice you folks may have to offer.

I am now 44 yrs old, Canadian of Eastern European descent,(Estonian/Ukranian), female and in excellent health otherwise.  I have lived for a few years now, with the reddest, hottest cheeks after having a drink, always beer! and in my case, it seemed to be an endearing quality! My friends always comment on how sweet I look with a natural glow. HA! I could live with that, and in my case, the "glow" would pass after a few drinks.

What I can't live with is the sudden onset about 9 months ago, of my total inability to drink even a shot of booze, without feeling sick, hot, as if I were detoxing. Worse than any hangover I have ever suffered, and I have had a few...

It started out last summer, when I drank a bunch of beer one night, then was totally wiped out by midday of the following day. When I drank the next time, the time period between drinking and feeling like death, shortened, as did the amount I could drink. It is now to the point that I can not even take a 1/2 cup of any type of liquor without instantly turning red, sweating uncontrollably, needing to lay in a cold tub of water, crying because I am scared and so sick, and feeling like I am dying. I am not kidding. The worst feeling I have ever felt in my life.......

So I have figured out that I suffer from Asian flush, likely mildly for years (red flush symptom only, still able to consume great quantities of beer....haha). I understand the concept about the enzyme that has seemingly disappeared from my system. What I DON'T get is WHY? Where did it suddenly go? Seemed to work fine before, and others on this forum seem to have never had the ability to drink from the get-go. I was able to drink with the rest, but suddenly I cannot! Why suddenly at the age of 43 did the exaggerated inability to digest alcohol hit me outta the blue? Did I fry some part of my liver? Is it perimenopause? Will I outgrow it? Is it a secondary effect of an environmental toxin? Why did my tolerance just evaporate so suddenly? I never had a problem holding my beer until last summer, and it was at the drop of a hat.

What happened to me and my body?

Anybody?

795

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Oh my gosh, you poor thing...
While for the most part it sounds like you've always suffered from the dreaded glow, your sudden change in reaction is a bit concerning.

I don't think any of us get all sweaty and it sounds like you are burning up when you have even a wee bit of drink.

I would suggest going to a doctor. Maybe maybe it's just that your symptoms have gotten worse as you've gotten older I don't know. Maybe see a doc of asian background as they may be more likely to have heard of the Asian Flush.

Maybe it is hormonal, and that you have developed incredible intolerance to alcohol?

Dunno. Good luck and let us know how you're getting on.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Thought i would contribute my latest findings.

It's probably not the best idea but if I'm going to have a 'pepcid night', I'll take 7 or 8 (20 mg Pecid AC MAX) just to be on the "safe side" about an hour before drinking.   I will usually have a proper meal at lunch so that my stomach's nice n empty and ready for the flood of booze later on.   

I always start off with 2 pints then i just go a little pink in the cheeks (still a bit annoying if in daylight hours), my eyes go a bit bloodshot and I feel a bit drowsy then it passes and after that I can knock 'em back with the best of them (or, more to the point, by that time everyone's so plastered they don't care!).  I also find having some crisps after a few drinks staves off the major hunger pangs without going red.

I really do worry about the longterm effect on my insides, namely my liver but then a few posts have said that tests have shown that up to 800mg a day of pepcid hasn't shown any harmful effects...

All in all though, I'm really glad to have found this forum!! It's definitely given me a more relaxed attitude towards these boozy social events.

Before finding this forum, I did once consider the Hyperhidrosis operation that restricts the blood supply to the face - but, on reflection, thought this was a bit drastic.... Has anyone else considered doing it though??

797 (edited by kevC 2007-05-21 21:17:21)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi all,
I'm a relatively new drinker (started about a year ago after starting college) and 100% Korean.
I've heard of Asian glow before drinking but had no idea it would affect me so heavily.  I get beet-red all over my upper body, head pounding, and eyes blood-shot.  This happens most of the time I drink after two or more beers (or one Beirut game :D).  I'm willing to give this Pepcid thing a go but I'm really concerned about potential side effects. I've been reading the forum and the only potential side-effect that looks scary is "impotence". Is this a real side effect? Can anyone attest to it (although I don't blame people for not discussing it). 

Also, I'm going to a party this weekend and want to experiment with Pepcid AC for the first time. Any advice on how much I should take for the first time?

I'm a 5'8" ~150 lbs male.

798 (edited by Tootsie 2007-05-22 11:26:01)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Steph wrote:

Oh my gosh, you poor thing...
While for the most part it sounds like you've always suffered from the dreaded glow, your sudden change in reaction is a bit concerning.

I don't think any of us get all sweaty and it sounds like you are burning up when you have even a wee bit of drink.

I would suggest going to a doctor. Maybe maybe it's just that your symptoms have gotten worse as you've gotten older I don't know. Maybe see a doc of asian background as they may be more likely to have heard of the Asian Flush.

Maybe it is hormonal, and that you have developed incredible intolerance to alcohol?

Dunno. Good luck and let us know how you're getting on.

Thanks for the advice. I like the idea of seeking one who has experience with Asian Flush. I am going back to the Dr. to ask for further blood work, such as testing my Bilirubin blood levels. I have had a basic look at my liver function. A co-worker suggests that I have my pancreas checked as well as a heavy metal test, (no not the music! haha), and also be referred to a dietitian or a nutritionist. Also have a look at HepC!.

When she was 19, she became deathly ill as a secondary cause: that being the chemicals sprayed on the crops on her farm. Did some major damage to her body and she still suffers to this day (she is in her 40's) from irreparable damage. Only one in her family to be affected.

She says because of the sudden onset of my "allergy" to alcohol, she wouldn't rule out that there is an underlying cause. Always worth looking into the goings on of the body, when such a drastic change occurs.

We are going thru lead pipe problems in London ONT. where I live, and they just tore down the dilapatated paint factory at the end of my street, where much contamination is sure to have occured and seeped into the water. Have lived there 9 years now. My sudden change could be related to other issues, and perhaps has been exacerbated by contamination?

Worth looking into....and I will keep you posted!

Tootsie

799

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kevC wrote:

Hi all,

I've been reading the forum and the only potential side-effect that looks scary is "impotence". Is this a real side effect? Can anyone attest to it (although I don't blame people for not discussing it). 

Also, I'm going to a party this weekend and want to experiment with Pepcid AC for the first time. Any advice on how much I should take for the first time?

I'm a 5'8" ~150 lbs male.

Hi Kev,

Welcome!
Let me ask you this... how many medicines do we take that say that potential side effects are hair-loss, impotence, dizziness, your arm falls off or whatever?? I would say pretty much any medicine apart from cough syrup has some scary sounding, possible side effects.

I think that the thing to do is to exercise some common sense -- take the pills only when you really need them and take the minimum amount that you need to reduce the flush.
For me, this means 3x20mg pills which I take at most, once a week.

The general concensus here has been to:

* Not eat too much the hours leading up to your drinking -- your stomach should be pretty much empty or almost empty
* Take the pills -- I'd take 2x20mg (or 4x10mg) pills for your first time
* Have a big glass of water
* Wait at least an hour before your 1st drink
* Drink your 1st drink slowly
* Enjoy the rest of your evening!

Some people here have said that they take their 1st drink at home, so that if any redness comes up, it happens at home. Then you should be able to go out and drink normally.

For me, I can snack or eat a light meal after taking the pills. The pills still work but I do have to make sure that my first 2 drinks are sllloooowwwww ones. My first 2 drinks a painfully drawn out over at least 2 hrs. After that I am relatively fine, I can drink as much as I feel like.

Some of us have discovered that certain drinks bring on the flush worse than others. For some, it's fruity drinks, for some it's wine. But it seems that most of us are best with spirits like vodka and rum.

I personally like Caparanjas and Tequila shots (I save the shots for late in the evening!)


I think that the pills are effective for around 8hrs. I have topped up with an extra pill if the drinking session is a particulary long one, but I'm not sure if this helped or not?


Let us know how you're getting on!
Good luck :)

800

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Thank you so much, Steph. I will let ya'll know.