Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Update.

I took 2 Pepcid 10mg at 11 pm.  Swallowed each one individually with a big glass of water.  Waited an hour or so and drank about 1/4 of a bottle of this fruity Malibu 21% alcohol rum and feel fine so far.  Don't seem to be getting red at all.

I stopped eating around 7-8ish.

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I'm......... wasted.
I suggest you all keep beer at your place. Eat your dosage of pepcid, drink a beer before you go out to get the alcohol flowing/eliminate the redness (if you still get it) at your place. or even a shot of whatever. the "pregaming" method. I did this tonight. No redness at all. Inhaled massive amount of wings, french fries, mix drinks. I'm done. Goodnight.

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Hey Jasko,

How long did you wait after taking your pepcid to drink the pre-drink?

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I agree that getting the 1st drink out of the way at home alone or with close mates is best. After the 1st drink I usually follow with an non alcoholic drink then carry on with the wines or whatever. This buys me time for the famo to kick in after the 1st drink.

But in saying that, the past 2 times I've had a slow wine after 60mg of famo and I don't seem to go red :)
The last 2 times have been
* 60mg famo
*wait around 45mins
* eat light/moderate meal
* drink with meal (1 glass of wine over 1 hr)

OR

* eat light/moderate meal
*wait around 20mins
* 60mg famo
*wait around 30mins
* 1 glass of wine over 1 hr

Misspriss: how did your after-work cocktail function go??

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hey angel email me at emase113@hotmail.com ill send you some if you want :o

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jasko wrote:
Snuffy wrote:

Drinking *after* the meal seems to maximize the effectiveness.

Effectiveness of the pepcid taking action or the effictiveness of the flush turning you red?

A little of both I think.  The Pepcid definitely works and even before I starting using it for "The Blush", drinking after a large meal tended to slow down the onset of the redness/symptoms.  Generally, this was just a delayed reaction though.  Only on *rare* occasions (pre-Pepcid) was I ever able to have more than 1 beer and not turn red.

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Omega Red wrote:
Snuffy wrote:

I've tried experimenting more with the timing of eating and the Pepcid.  I've found that taking the Pepcid AC first (2 * 20mg), wating 40-60 minutes and then eating works best for me.  I've found that drinking at the same time as eating tends to bring on the redness.  Drinking *after* the meal seems to maximize the effectiveness.

BTW, I'm still testing out the effect of consuming dairy before drinking, but I'll post to the new forum topic Eric created.

Oooo...Have you ever tried eating, then taking the pills, then waiting 40 minutes and then drink?  Would the result be any better?

I did try that (only once though), similar to what Steph has also posted.

* 40mg Pepcid
* wait ~ 45-60 minutes
* ate meal (no drink with meal)
* started drinking ~ 10 minutes after the meal
* no redness

Similar experiment

* 40mg Pepcid
* wait 45 minutes
* took additional 20 mg pill (still a little leary of taking 60mg as it exceeds max recommended dosage)
* starting drinking
* no redness

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Steph wrote:

I've been thinking about why we don't process the acetylaldehyde dehydrogenase fast enough, which makes us red. Is there a way to make us produce it faster? The famo slows to alcohol process to acetyaldhyde, right? (Sorry all this chemisty is way beyond me!)

I found in a round-about way this stuff called glutathione. From what I've read, it is best produced by the amino acid cysteine. Apparently this gluta thing is an antioxidant which is good for general health but also very good for the liver. Does anyone know more about this stuff and if it would help us at all? Has anyone tried it?

All you chemistry professionals out there, please let me know what you think. Cheers

Hey Steph.

Yeah, I tried it once.  There are a couple of companies who make these "antioxidants".  I bought a bottle and gave it a try about a year ago, from this place:  http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00802.html .  This stuff had the glutathione in it and was supposedly designed specifically to reverse the buildup of acetaldehyde we get since our ALDH2 (or whatever) enzymes are all messed up!

Well, IT DIDN'T WORK AT ALL FOR ME.  I tried using them exactly per the instructions on at least four occasions to make sure that it wasn't just a fluke.  Each time, I had all of the classic "blush" symptoms:  beet red, throbbing pulse, somewhat dizzy, generally feeling bad.

Like everyone else, I just want to be able to enjoy a couple of drinks and not have to worry about such bad reactions.  I'm not saying this won't work for anyone else out there, it just didn't work for me.  I dumped them in the trash.

All that said, I've had very positive results using the famotidine method.  So far, that's been my most successful method.

Hope that helps.

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Snuffy wrote:

* took additional 20 mg pill (still a little leary of taking 60mg as it exceeds max recommended dosage)

Yeah I'm not keen on taking 60mg either... but 40mg just doesn't work for me :(
I have read that some (stomach ulcer) patients take incredibly high dosages of famo for around 2 weeks with no/little side effects. By high, I talking well over 150mg famo per day.

So although I need around 60mg for the stuff to work properly, I figure that I'm not taking the pills every day (in fact prob on average only 3-4 times/month) I am willing to risk taking 60mg in one go. If any docs/chemists out there disagree, please let us know cos I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has to take 60mg each time.

Have a good weekend, y'all.

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Steph wrote:
Snuffy wrote:

* took additional 20 mg pill (still a little leary of taking 60mg as it exceeds max recommended dosage)

Yeah I'm not keen on taking 60mg either... but 40mg just doesn't work for me :(
I have read that some (stomach ulcer) patients take incredibly high dosages of famo for around 2 weeks with no/little side effects. By high, I talking well over 150mg famo per day.

So although I need around 60mg for the stuff to work properly, I figure that I'm not taking the pills every day (in fact prob on average only 3-4 times/month) I am willing to risk taking 60mg in one go. If any docs/chemists out there disagree, please let us know cos I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has to take 60mg each time.

Have a good weekend, y'all.

Yeah, I don't like popping 3 20mg pills either just to get drunk, but two isn't enough really. After all it does say don't exceed 2 pills on the package. I fear long term effects.... problems with my bladder or liver or whatnot.

But, whatever. I want to drink. Unless they legalize marijuana, alcohols the only way to kick back and chill.

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A strange thing has happened tonight...
I didn't take any pills, had a glass of wine.
As per usual, I went rosy. This happens with or without pills for my first drink.

Then I had dinner, waited about an hour or so then had a B52.
Not red!

Waited around 30mins and then had a tequila shot
Not red!

Waited around 30 mins then had a glass of wine. (Wine always makes me more red than spirits)
Went a little pink but no throbbing head.

Now why do you suppose that happened?
Yesterday I took 3 pills and had about half a bottle of wine during the night - do you think that its residue tolerance from yesterday? Perhaps the answer is simply to get sloshed every night???

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Zantac or Pepcid?

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im so blazwd\\e\d right now lo;!! dez buttns are werid! so yeah i wanna try it.. cant wait.. can any1 help me?? omg 2morro imma so apoliagizee fotr talkin so much sihit ;ol.. yeah i feel sory gor us!! they shud sell that shut n diarys man.. i wud b a meen customer! lol!!! yeah hu waits to help me?????? :).. omegarad hook it up wid some pills PLEASE.. pepcid please.. thanks

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Steph wrote:

A strange thing has happened tonight...
I didn't take any pills, had a glass of wine.
As per usual, I went rosy. This happens with or without pills for my first drink.

Then I had dinner, waited about an hour or so then had a B52.
Not red!

Waited around 30mins and then had a tequila shot
Not red!

Waited around 30 mins then had a glass of wine. (Wine always makes me more red than spirits)
Went a little pink but no throbbing head.

Now why do you suppose that happened?
Yesterday I took 3 pills and had about half a bottle of wine during the night - do you think that its residue tolerance from yesterday? Perhaps the answer is simply to get sloshed every night???

The residual thing makes sense.  I have had occasions in the past where there has been no redness for no apparent reason.  It's very strange though and I've not been able to come up with any explanation.  I do still believe there's a certain food/alcohol/timing combination that either produces a strong reaction or none at all.  Unfortunately, it seems almost random!

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angel wrote:

im so blazwd\\e\d right now lo;!! dez buttns are werid! so yeah i wanna try it.. cant wait.. can any1 help me?? omg 2morro imma so apoliagizee fotr talkin so much sihit ;ol.. yeah i feel sory gor us!! they shud sell that shut n diarys man.. i wud b a meen customer! lol!!! yeah hu waits to help me?????? :).. omegarad hook it up wid some pills PLEASE.. pepcid please.. thanks

Do you really *always* type/write like this or are you really just messing around?  I have a real hard time trying to figure out what you're trying to say.  If you're serious about people helping you out, you should try to be serious once in a while.

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Hi guys,

I just celebrated my 21st birthday last night.  I knew that there was no way I'd be getting out of drinking so I needed to find out how to prevent this stupid asian flush.  I don't know the severity of other people's reactions but personally mine have been pretty extreme.  Because of this Asian flush I don't drink but since it was my birthday...

There were times when I've taken 5 sips of beer and the reaction begins.  My face, neck, chest, and limbs become beet red, I have a really hard time breathing, and I feel a strong pulse pounding on the side of my neck.  I even get a reaction to one capfull of nyquil!

Anyway I was reading your posts on Pepcid AC yesterday and decided to try it out.  I took 3 20mg of Pepcid AC Max and it worked.  There was no redness when I started my first drink.  I didn't finish it because I was scared that the Pepcid may not work.  Then I got pressured into taking a shot and half an hour later another one.  I checked the mirror and no flush!

So overall, I did not drink very much but I was very drunk.  I also remember reading that although taking Pepcid decreases the flush the alcohol absorption is increased but there are some alcohols such as vodka that are recommended for asians like us because their metabolism is a lot quicker than alcohols such as gin. I also read that food is not recommended after taking Pepcid because it increases the amount of acetaldehyde.  I'm not too sure what works and what doesn't but I'd like to hear feedback on my first asian flush free experience that got me completely trashed within the first hour.  Maybe I can make my next night out last longer...hopefully.  Thanks!

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im sorry lol.. i really want someone to send me some.. and i want to know all your storys.. does anyone feel sick when they drink?? and has pepcid prevented you from having the feeling that your sick or watever??? i had like 2-3 beers and i spewed up in front of my dad..

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angel wrote:

im sorry lol.. i really want someone to send me some.. and i want to know all your storys.. does anyone feel sick when they drink?? and has pepcid prevented you from having the feeling that your sick or watever??? i had like 2-3 beers and i spewed up in front of my dad..

Don't worry about it.  I just couldn't figure out what you were asking! ;-)

As for feeling sick, how quickly did you drink your 2-3 beers?  Of course everyone has at one time or another had way too much to drink and gotten sick.  Although, I have to admit I haven't in *many* years.  Try not to drink so much so quickly.  When I was much younger, I used to "pound" drinks real quickly and invariably ended up feeling sick.  I also think some of this has to do with your age as well.  I believe from one of your earlier posts, you said you were kind of young.  I'm not encouraging underage drinking, but if you do, just take it easy and slow.

I think that the Pepcid does help with some of the sick feeling.  Mostly it helps with the "blushing" of the face (or at least lessens it).  However, if you.

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im not that young im almost 18 and the drinking age is 18.. i sipped the 1st drink and the second drink i was feelin qwezzy and den i started drinking water, and i felt really tired and crappy and then i spewed.. and this other time i had lolly drinks it was only 5% and i drank dem like not sculling it back but not sipping them slowly either. and i my head was spinning lol.. and i went through 2 1/2 bottles and i just sat there for a bit then i spewed it felt good after and then a REALLY bad headache came and i was complaining about getting a panadol the whole night but no1 gave me it because they thought i drank too much.. which i didnt. and then i spewed again and it was horrible!!! i thought that i punctured my lung or something.. it hurt too.. and yeah i looked like crap in the morning also..!!

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Hey Ang,

I agree with Snuffy, I certainly don't condone underage binge drinking. By that I mean however many it takes you to get drunk/throw up :) Sorry, but that's the reason why I won't send you any pills, even though you live relatively close to me :/
IMHO - I think NZ was very silly lowering the drinking age to 18... and the politicans are now wondering why we have such a problem with teen binge drinking!

But anyway, agreed... you should drink slowly. You last longer and can drink more in the long run! I have to drink my 1st drink over an hour - which can be painful... but then once that's over with, I can have a water or something and then drink faster.

Drink lots of non alc drinks when drinking - alc dehydrates you and causes headaches/hangovers.

I'm happy to say that I've never spewed while drinking -- I feel sick sometimes but I take that as a huge sign to slow down or stop drinking!!

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Hello all...so I tried the Pepcid AC...works pretty good. Light pinkness, but definitely better than none when eating. I even tried eating dairy after Pepcid, and it worked pretty good. The key is to make sureyou wait at least 30 minutes or so, for me at least. One thing I get in common w/ Pecid is that I notice a tingling feeling in my right forearm, everytime. Anyone get any weird side effets like that?

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Most social functions have food involved, so I'd like to know the best way to take pepcid/zantac with a meal involved. 

I've read the best is to:

-pop pills
-wait ~1 hour
-EAT, no drinks
-then drink

but how long should the wait be AFTER finished eating?

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I dont know if any of you have seen this already but it sounds like progress towards a real fix, just needs more funding.

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This looks interesting i signup i think others should do the same to show the amount of interest in this project

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doritobreath wrote:

Hello all...so I tried the Pepcid AC...works pretty good. Light pinkness, but definitely better than none when eating. I even tried eating dairy after Pepcid, and it worked pretty good. The key is to make sureyou wait at least 30 minutes or so, for me at least. One thing I get in common w/ Pecid is that I notice a tingling feeling in my right forearm, everytime. Anyone get any weird side effets like that?

I don't ever recall experiencing that, but haven't specifically looked for it.  Will pay attention in the future and let you know if I see any signs of this.  In general, I think it's a good idea to be reasonably observant on this stuff, given the fact there doesn't appear to be any real "scientific" research on the short/long-term effects of using H2 blockers specifically for the purposes of reducing ABlush symptoms.  Knowledge is good.