H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid) (Page 13 of 52)

There is an offical research for asian flush in Japan. It is a private research center.  Please try to understand how much goes into researching. You have a lot of paper work with legal matters, research process, and have to deal with loss, tampered, and inaccurate data.  Some research takes countless meetings, and approval to do certain actions can take months and years.  To fund a research for asian flush takes millions of dollars, and countless hours of work.  There is a pill out in Japan that cost $4,000 dollars that buisness men use to surpress the asian flush.  I don't know how it works, and I don't know what extensive use of the pill can do, or do I know if your body will build a tolerance to the pill.
  To James: I realize how painful doing the pre drink is! I have talked and associated with a lot of asian flush individuals who feel the same fustrations. I also see how bad it makes one feel.  I have theories on how it is possible to over come the asian flush threw your body naturually adapting.  It might be a painful to achieve it.  My theories aren't fully developed yet.  To paint you a picture of my theory, it is like a 300ib person trying to loose 150ibs.  So it takes a lot of dedication.  I'am trying to think of ways of how to stop the irregular heart beat, which causes the flushing. Then you have the issue of the sick feeling.  To help point all of you in the right direction of how to take this on, without just trying any old thing. You might have to try self test to see what helps, then look at the basic make up of what caused your reaction to be less intense or what surpressed it for a while.  Take pepcid AC for example, it seems to work wonders for many who use it at the beggining.  A chemical in Pepcid AC is helping your body not to respond to alcohol in an extreme manner.  Some of the suggestions I listed were off the wall. So James allow me some time and I'll get back with you with better suggestions to help you out.  I will get back to you soon. James I also suggest you be a leader on this site, to help other individuals. If you do choose to be a leader, please tell me and I will explain what needs to be done.  So think on that and I'll swing by soon, I have to go now so good luck to all.

Natifus,
I have been drinking 1-3 beers a day on average for about 5 months now.  I probably flush a little less now than before, and another thing is that the flush goes away faster now than before, but it is not that much less intense.  2 beers fast will get me fairly red, but feeling ok, besides a slighltly faster heart rate.  I think the problem is that ADH adapts to ethanol together with the slow ALDH2, so the flush stays about the same, because the relative rates of metabolism are what is important (as in ADH/ALDH).  I also find that the flush is less if you havent slept in a day, not that this is a realistic solution at all.  I have also tried the fruit shake idea, although I have never tried drinking six shakes in order to get ready.  I will keep with the couple beers a day and see what happens.  Another problem for me at least, is that I think that I have both asian fast ADH and irish german high amounts of ADH, so I process ethanol faster than I would like.  On the other hand, speeding up the ALDH metabolism would be a much more desirable solution than slowing down ADH.  what are your ideas natifus

Do you have any more information about this pill?  i.e. what it is called, any related links?

Natifus:

You seem to imply that you have some specialized research or that you have some scientific background training.  I'm curious as to where you got such detailed information to be able to "diagnose" people.  Are you an MD or PhD?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I want to make sure that we're all trying to beat this thing, but doing so safely and not relying on "pseudo science" that could end up in a bad way.

Hello,

I don't know if I suffer from the same thing or if it is an allergic reaction to additives in the alcohol but all of my symptoms are the same.

I used to take Cetirizine Hydrochloride or Cetirizine di-hydrochloride (Pititeze)to suppress the symptoms because I thought it was an allergic reaction, however this pill no longer works so effectively for me.

I now use Loratidine which is another antihistamine and this works much better. Careful not to take too many though, never more than one pill in 24 hours.

Can someone with Asian Flush try taking a Loratidine an hour before drinking and let me know how it went. I am eager to know if my symptoms are caused by the same problem or by an allergic reaction.

Thanks

I've found a couple of websites in New Zealand that allow shipping overseas.
A rough price conversion would be NZ$1 = Euro$0.50 or US$0.50

In NZ its called Pepzan - it comes in boxes of 14 and each pill is 20mg

http://www.chemistshop.co.nz/
http://www.chemist.co.nz/

I've just placed an order myself and I look forward to getting some stuff soon!

I've been experimenting with Pepcid AC and red wine.  The results were disappointing.  :::sigh:::   While the Pepcid seemed to delay the onset of the flush by around twenty minutes, the glow eventually hit me.  Once again, I was fire-engine red with that freaky shine coming off my skin and eyes.

I tried the Pepcid AC twice.  First time, I took 20 mg of the famotidiine with two glasses of water.   (I'd eaten a large meal about two hours earlier.)  After taking the Pepcid, I waited an hour, then drank a glass of merlot fairly quickly.  I was ecstatic at first, because I looked pretty normal for a while.  Just faintly pink in the cheeks.  Usually, I turn red within fifteen seconds of my first sip.  But after about 20 minutes, the flush seemed to be coming back, and soon I was glowing at maximum intensity.  I tried popping another 20 mg of the famotidine, but I stayed red and glassy-eyed.

Second time, I upped the inital dosage to 40 mg, then stuck to the same procedure as the first experiment.  Same disappointing result, where the glow was just delayed for 20 minutes.

I'll try again in the near future with different alcohol types.  In about a month, I'll be going away to a place where the red wine will be flowing.  I was hoping that Pepcid would let me have a few glasses of rioja, but I guess I'll just hafta abstain ... as usual.

ASIDE:  One thing I've found is that VODKA mixed with something CITRUS-y plus SUGAR seriously minimizes the Asian flush.  No drugs involved whatsoever.  If I pace myself while I'm drinking lemon drops, vodka gimlets, or similar mixed drinks, then I barely turn red, especially if I eat something while I'm drinking.  This weekend, I had a few cocktails with "key lime" in the name ... it was vodka, peach schnappes, lime juice, and I just got a little pink; my eyes didn't turn glassy at all.  Weird, huh?  Amaratto sours, midori sours .... almost anything sour (except whiskey sours!) also seem to restrain the Asian flush somewhat.

The worst offenders at flushing up my skin are tequila, gin, beer, and wine, especially red wine.  I go radioactive-red when I drink those.  The red tends to last for 2-3 hours, regardless of number of drinks, i.e. whether I've had just one or as many as seven drinks.

Cool, so sour stuff helps reduce the flush.  I'll try some other things out this weekend, I think we can cure this fawking thing.  I used to drink like a bottle of wine, it tasted so damn good.  The pounding and dizzyness only effects me if I don't drink for long periods of time.  We'll I'll do some test and post results. thanks a lot man.

Well! I hate doing the predrink, but sometimes i have to do it and I come out fine all night long.  I don't want to take a nap when I pre-drink, but I get really bored and you know don't want to hear anything from the public, so I do pass out.  I don't know how my friend beat the thing, but he did! I don't know where he's at so I can't tell you how he did it. He just randomly drinks when he wants to and he's flush stuff dosen't come back at all. well im out

I see some of you are still using the same technics to solve this problem. So I really have to ask how many of you are really serious enough to find a solution? I do apologize for my help is long over due,  I have been overwhelmed lately with work and family.  For those who are new. I'am a Research Assistant in Alcoholism for a company which I choose not to reveal. For the simple purpose of the company adhering to non-public exposure. Simple terms. My career in the company might become of question, if an investigation occurs from suspected information leakage.  Basicially the information gathered belongs to the company, and not to any personnel.  I have only done some research and testing dealing with Asian Flush. Each individual revealed more information than the test it self.  The company has strayed away from that research, also the reason why I choose to do it on my own time.
*THE GOAL:Equal opportunity! Wouldn't it sound great to be free! To be a non-flush victum.  This is the dream you reach for, so don't slip away from your dream just yet.  My goal is to have everyone of you free from Asian Flush. What is your goal?
*THE PROMISE:I promise to give all of you the best that I can do. Just don't give up on me!
*INFORMATION:-I believe all of you have more in common than you would acctually believe. With your identy safe; none of you should be ashamed of writing about your normal Friday or Saturday. So please I do ask all of you to write a typical Friday or Saturday. From waking up till your fast asleep.
-In a simple list form list what works least, to what works the best.(From what you have tried, make it short and sweet)
-I have brought up the discussion of everyone in here working toghter couple of times, and sometimes I do feel as if I have wasted my precious time. BUT! I'll stick with all of you till I have almost nothing left.

  I wrote everything basic as possible for everyone to understand.  I'm offering all of you a chance to rid yourself of heartache, embarassment, and denying yourself a fullfilled youth. Its a fact that a mass majority of people's nightlife evolve around drinking or partying, and the world is not going to change. Weigh what its worth to you, for some of you are destroying your bodies to obtain this dream.  Think about it. and speak out.

There is a acetaldehyde dehyrdogenase enzyme pill(the pill wih the enzyme you need). The problem concerned with the pill is it can cause rapid blindness.  Speaking of pills some of you brought up the issue about "How they could have a pill that causes Asian Flush, but not have a pill to cure it."  The answer! The pill was made by accident in the 1940's, while scientist were trying to cure diseases.  To be honest there is no drug in the U.S. that can cure Asian Flush without very vicious side effects.

  Your best shot as of now (As in today), is RU-21 aka the hangover pill.  Order you RU-21 at http://www.911healthshop.com/ru21.html its cheap at that website. What I suggest you try for a self-experiment:Have a healthy intake of your B vitamns(the fruits, chicken, etc..), and give yourself about 30minutes to digest. Take the RU-21 pills, and start drinking. Because RU-21 is a "pill", it has a coated layer of chemical which dosn't desolve instantly. So some time maybe be needed to allow the pill to work.  All this preparation should take about 30min. It beats the 1-3 hour pre-drink meathod right.  If it does work for you, I suggest trying to do this process in less time. To test your time limit.