Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Omega Red wrote:

Most social functions have food involved, so I'd like to know the best way to take pepcid/zantac with a meal involved. 

I've read the best is to:

-pop pills
-wait ~1 hour
-EAT, no drinks
-then drink

but how long should the wait be AFTER finished eating?

What you've outlined is generally my routine.  I still believe there's a correlation to *what* you eat, but for the life of me I can't seem to pinpoint what foods cause more reaction than others.  For me, red wine seems to always produce more flushing than beer/liquor.  Not sure why though.

As far as waiting, I can usually start drinking immediately after the meal.  I think drinking after a big meal slows down the absorbtion of alcohol in general anyway.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

absucks wrote:

http://www.htfwo.org/vamrt/technologies … ology_id=9

I dont know if any of you have seen this already but it sounds like progress towards a real fix, just needs more funding.

That does sound encouraging, but I noticed that the information came from 2001.  Hopefully the research has progressed since then.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi all.  I usually take 40 mg of pepcid 1 1/2-2 hrs before drinking and it seems to work most of the time.  I still get a slight pink though.  However the last time I took 40 mg, I turned beet red!  I had one glass of Bailey's Irish Rum, so now I'm wondering if it's because of the dairy ( I think it's coffee or choco flavored??).  I've been wanting to do the 60 mg since I still get a slight red from 40 mg but been hesistant since it says not to exceed 40 mg on the box.  How much of a difference does it make from 40 to 60 for those of you who's tried 60??  Also do u take the normal pepcid, or max strength pepcid?? Thanks!

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DarlingC wrote:

Hi all.  I usually take 40 mg of pepcid 1 1/2-2 hrs before drinking and it seems to work most of the time.  I still get a slight pink though.  However the last time I took 40 mg, I turned beet red!  I had one glass of Bailey's Irish Rum, so now I'm wondering if it's because of the dairy ( I think it's coffee or choco flavored??).  I've been wanting to do the 60 mg since I still get a slight red from 40 mg but been hesistant since it says not to exceed 40 mg on the box.  How much of a difference does it make from 40 to 60 for those of you who's tried 60??  Also do u take the normal pepcid, or max strength pepcid?? Thanks!

Though the package says do not take more than 40mg, from experience I say that 60mg does the job right. Take 3 pepcid ac max strength about an hour before you drink or even a half hour, drink a lot of water to have the pills get going in your system, and you should be able to go after that.

You should really do self tests at your home and see what your limits are..

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Well it's worked okay so far....the pepcid.

however, although I dont get red anymore, I do notice my heart rate increases.

Is it normal?

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

okay i have "asian blush" too and so does my 14 year old niece stephanie. she usually gets rosy after one beer. is it safe for her to take 40 mg Pepcid AC?

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

lena wrote:

okay i have "asian blush" too and so does my 14 year old niece stephanie. she usually gets rosy after one beer. is it safe for her to take 40 mg Pepcid AC?

lol.... I don't know you might want to ask a doctor......
isn't 14 a little young to start drinking

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

i think its ok for your cuz to drink.. just because she aint 18 yet dont mean she is a binge drinker!!!! you guy do know it is LEGAL to drink in private functions and around supervision!!!! :)

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

^I suppose you're right. Anyway, back to the lecture at hand. Anyone have any personal experience on some alcohols that work better than others? Not getting f'd up wise, but not turning red wise? I hear vodka does well?

Generally I just drink Captain Morgan and Coke.

Let us know what ya'll usually drink- from beer to liqour to wine

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

That Coke makes you more red. I'd ditch it to lessen the redness...stick to alcohol...don't mix...no fruity drinks...no kahlua coffee mixes...just plain beer or liquor.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I had one of those fruity apple martinis and had no effect....

But the thing is I still notice my heart rate increases and feel kinda nauseous

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

jasko wrote:

^I suppose you're right. Anyway, back to the lecture at hand. Anyone have any personal experience on some alcohols that work better than others? Not getting f'd up wise, but not turning red wise? I hear vodka does well?

Generally I just drink Captain Morgan and Coke.

Let us know what ya'll usually drink- from beer to liqour to wine

For me, beer always has the least reddening effect.  I suppose that's because it generallyt takes longer to  consume a beer than say a shot of straight alcohol.  Even with the famotidine in the system working to offset the buildup of acetaldehyde, overloading *a lot* of straight alcohol in a very sort period of time will overtake the body's ability to eliminate the acetaldehyde (the stuff that makes us red).

All that said, I do drink liquor mixed with either Coke or ginger ale.  I just tend to drink it rather slowly.  Maker's Mark bourbon is awesome stuff mixed with Coke.  I really like the tase of that.

One thing that I have found to almost always make me red (even after the Pepcid) is red wine for whatever reason.  I like a good wine, but for some reason I don't have good luck with the flushing.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Omega Red wrote:

Well it's worked okay so far....the pepcid.

however, although I dont get red anymore, I do notice my heart rate increases.

Is it normal?

I do still notice a very slight increase in heart rate, but not nearly as much as when I don't taken any Pepcid at all.  If I drink without first taking the Pepcid, I get a pretty scary rapid heart rate.  That can't possibly be good for the body when the heart is pounding like that.  Years ago before finding out about Pepcid, I've even passed out after a few drinks, most likely because the heart rate and blood pressure was probably skyrocketing.

When I take Pepcid (usually 40mg), it definitely helps.  Take Jasko's advice and do your "tests" at home.  I did that and have found what my limits are.  Better to do that in the comfort of your own home, than to go out in public and have a bad experience.

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MY BDAES IN 4 DAES!!! N IM N DESPRET NEED FOR THAT STUFF!!! can anyone pleasssse help me!!!!!! i really wanna do a home test b4 my bdae also!!

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

After reading as much of this forum as I could, I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has tried to be helpful to others with advice.  I also wanted to say that I think the post by c0m1c a few months ago shows what a jackass he is.  If you don't think it's a problem then cool, you have nothing to say.

I haven't tried Pepcid, which seems like the only reasonable solution.  But I wanted to bring up the problem of cancer that keeps getting mentioned: I think if we're all gonna agree that this is the best (i.e. easiest, most effective) solution, then maybe we should give it some serious thought?  I find it scary to be using a drug that specifically says not to ingest it with alcohol every time before drinking.  And cancer isn't something you drop dead of right after drinking.  It takes years of exposure to carcinogens and it may only increase risk of colon, liver and oral cancer, so we may not know for a while.  If people are going to use famotidine regularly with alcohol, I think we should at least consider the risks.

These are my thoughts on cancer:
Acetaldehyde (what causes blushing, etc., metabolized from alcohol) is definitely thought to be a carcinogen.  It's sold to chemists with that precaution on it.  I searched clinical studies for anything useful and I found one study (Cancer Letters, 2006, June 4).  It says there is a definite link between throat cancer and lack of the ALDH2 gene (what causes blushing) in alcoholics.  It says this "enhances the link between acetaldehyde exposure and cancer".  That is some scary shit and gives me serious pause.

I think there's a possibility that Pepcid will make things worse . . . it's supposed to make you more drunk, so it could also be increasing blood level acetaldehyde, therefore increase your risk of cancer.

Anyway, I'm gonna try it myself at some point, but I just don't think it's a permanent solution, you know?  Doing most things a few times probably won't do anything, but once a week who knows?  People should be careful and maybe someone should at least ask a doctor if we're recommending this to hundreds of people.  At the very least, I wouldn't be taking more than the recommended dose and I definitely wouldn't be mixing Pepcid with other stuff.

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

uriel wrote:

it's supposed to make you more drunk, so it could also be increasing blood level acetaldehyde, therefore increase your risk of cancer.

I actually don't get more drunk because of it.. it takes longer really.. Well, longer than it would without taking it.

and Yes. I do fear the side-effects of it. I'd like to know myself, but I don't think there's any scientists out there conducting a concentrated experiment with this. Id probably be laughed at before being studied :(

With this in mind, my motto is, as shitty as it is, I'm only going to live once, and if I have to take these three pills to have fun and let loose, then so be it. I know, you don't need to drink to have fun, but being surrounded by everyone casually drinking/drunk.. you cave in. And spare the peer pressure speech too.


Like I said in previous posts, until they legalize, or at least decriminalize marijuana (www.norml.org), alcohols the resort.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

uriel wrote:

After reading as much of this forum as I could, I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has tried to be helpful to others with advice.  I also wanted to say that I think the post by c0m1c a few months ago shows what a jackass he is.  If you don't think it's a problem then cool, you have nothing to say.

I haven't tried Pepcid, which seems like the only reasonable solution.  But I wanted to bring up the problem of cancer that keeps getting mentioned: I think if we're all gonna agree that this is the best (i.e. easiest, most effective) solution, then maybe we should give it some serious thought?  I find it scary to be using a drug that specifically says not to ingest it with alcohol every time before drinking.  And cancer isn't something you drop dead of right after drinking.  It takes years of exposure to carcinogens and it may only increase risk of colon, liver and oral cancer, so we may not know for a while.  If people are going to use famotidine regularly with alcohol, I think we should at least consider the risks.

These are my thoughts on cancer:
Acetaldehyde (what causes blushing, etc., metabolized from alcohol) is definitely thought to be a carcinogen.  It's sold to chemists with that precaution on it.  I searched clinical studies for anything useful and I found one study (Cancer Letters, 2006, June 4).  It says there is a definite link between throat cancer and lack of the ALDH2 gene (what causes blushing) in alcoholics.  It says this "enhances the link between acetaldehyde exposure and cancer".  That is some scary shit and gives me serious pause.

I think there's a possibility that Pepcid will make things worse . . . it's supposed to make you more drunk, so it could also be increasing blood level acetaldehyde, therefore increase your risk of cancer.

Anyway, I'm gonna try it myself at some point, but I just don't think it's a permanent solution, you know?  Doing most things a few times probably won't do anything, but once a week who knows?  People should be careful and maybe someone should at least ask a doctor if we're recommending this to hundreds of people.  At the very least, I wouldn't be taking more than the recommended dose and I definitely wouldn't be mixing Pepcid with other stuff.

People that lack the ALDH2(like us) have a greater chance of getting throat cancer since we don't have this gene to break down the alcohol, more of the alcohol passes our throat and into our blood.  The pepcid works to stop the redness, but it doesn't protect against the alcohol build-up...and hence the greater risk of cancer.  So plz try to drink moderately or lightly if u can...(I know it sucks!).

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

So if alcohol causes throat cancer for PPl like us who lack the ALDH2 wouldn't it be obvious to conclude that its caused either by contact or fumes from the alcohol to our throats. Can you maybe then drink somthing to coat the throat b4 hand?? like Pepto Bismo or maybe 2 tsp of cooking oil?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hello everybody, im new to this forum and after havin read the posts, i've began taking PepcidTwo (the only uk version available). I pop 2 around half an hour before i drink and it takes away 90% of my redness. Its only 10mg, i might try to get my hands on some stronger versions on ebay, i'll post my results.

The problem is i've always drank regularly and now i'm popping 2 pepcid tablets roughly 4 or 5 times a week....and i'm starting to worry about this increased cancer risk. But after thinking about it, the truth is, everyone has a risk of cancer and its all to do with luck (or bad luck) at the end of the day, many ppl with a perfectly healthy past has developed cancer before right?

I guess the best solution is to be wary because spotting cancer early is a lifesaver.

Ok my rant is over, pepcid is brilliant, keep us updated,

take it easy,

b

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hey it was my bdae they other day i got drunk right it was sweet as for a bit you know giggly and flirty and next mintue im just leaned over my friends fence and spewed.. it was horrible.. i wasnt spewing food up though it was just like liqud and then i sat down and i felt good and then suddenly this horrible!!!! pain was in the back of my head like a really bad headache and i kept drinking water and then i spewed again and it felt like my insides was being torn up and stuff.. why does this happen???? is there anything else instead of pepcid i could use or do???

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

angel wrote:

hey it was my bdae they other day i got drunk right it was sweet as for a bit you know giggly and flirty and next mintue im just leaned over my friends fence and spewed.. it was horrible.. i wasnt spewing food up though it was just like liqud and then i sat down and i felt good and then suddenly this horrible!!!! pain was in the back of my head like a really bad headache and i kept drinking water and then i spewed again and it felt like my insides was being torn up and stuff.. why does this happen???? is there anything else instead of pepcid i could use or do???

gotta know your alcohol tolernace... you prolly drank too much and yacked it up.

just remember, every drink will creep up on you. you dont need to keep up with the crowd to be f'd up.

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Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

JayOnTheRocks wrote:

So if alcohol causes throat cancer for PPl like us who lack the ALDH2 wouldn't it be obvious to conclude that its caused either by contact or fumes from the alcohol to our throats. Can you maybe then drink somthing to coat the throat b4 hand?? like Pepto Bismo or maybe 2 tsp of cooking oil?

As far as I understand it, it isn't contact with alcohol that causes cancer.  In fact, it's not even the alcohol, directly.  It's acetaldehyde, a chemical made when your body breaks down alcohol (non-flushers have ALDH2, or acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, that breaks down acetaldehyde, we don't).  So coating your throat wouldn't do much I don't think, as long as the alcohol gets digested (which happens in your stomach and intestine).  Sorry for all the chemistry.
To prevent flushing you have to:
1. Prevent alcohol from being digested (which means you don't get drunk, which is kinda the point)
2. Remove acetaldehyde from your body (drinking lots of water will do this)
3. Block the immune response to acetaldehyde (which is what H2 blockers probably do)
4. Get your body to make acetaldehyde dehydrogenase (why hasn't anyone freakin' tried this?!)
5. Not drink (pretending you're Mormon works for this)
Of all of these, H2 blockers have the highest risk for cancer.
I was thinking eating a lot of fiber might prevent too much alcohol from being digested, or maybe even a laxative, which may have its own problems.

473 (edited by jasko 2006-07-17 11:06:58)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

4. Get your body to make acetaldehyde dehydrogenase (why hasn't anyone freakin' tried this?!)
How might you do this?

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Angel, Happy birthday chick... how much did you drink and how quickly did you do it? You are young and will learn how much you can handle before getting sick - whether you take the pills or not...

Personally, I start quite slowly - about 1 an hour for the first couple of hours then I can do shots and stuff like that afterwards. But I listen to my stomach (so to speak) and if I start feeling queasy, I stop or take a break for an hour or so. Throwing up from drinking at my age is so not cool... and being a girl, throwing up is doubly so not cool...

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

yeah, dont go crazy with the drinks, and having a soft drink between alcoholic drinks is really good, especially in this heat :-D
try to pace urself :-D