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I haven't read through all the messages but uh...does it bother anyone else that everyone's taking these drugs to prevent this flushing without a doctor's okay? or has someone gotten a doctor's okay on it? I mean it might work technically just because the chemicals will do what they do but what are possible long term side effects? I'd be interested to know if anyone has looked into this. Also I don't get the flushing like some of you describe (i do get pink in the face but not bad). What i do get is hives all over my body but unlike others I've heard of, not on my face. if i drink a lot, it'll spread a bit to my arms and legs but generally just over my torso. and never on my face or neck. sometimes they itch but generally it's fine. does anyone else get this? asian adverse resonses to alcohol seem pretty common but so far i haven't read of anyone getting it like I do (it seems as if my reaction isn't bad compared to some out there). do you think it even has anything to do with the H2 or is it an allergy of some sort? Benadryl doesn't help. Once I took Zyrtec and i think it helped make it go away in 3 or so days as opposed to 2 weeks but that was only once and i haven't been able to try it since so maybe it would've gone away in 3 days on its own and the Zyrtec wasn't acutally the cause - who knows...but i would think if it were an allergy, benadryl would help right? feel free to email me about this! Thanks and good luck to everyone with these issues - they really suck!

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my email being cyu157@gmail.com

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I have a juice machine and I mix 3carrots, 1bananas, 5strawberries, daily vitamans, some salt,and the cheershangover pill. I drink it 6 times a day before going out to drink. It works! No redness, headaches, pounding heart and I can get waisted.

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Guest6,
so does your shake work as well without the six pills?  how about if you just take six cheershangovers before going out?

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I'm a Norwegian with no asian blood who get the flush pretty bad every now and then when drinking.
I thought drinking a lot of water helped (but maybe i'm wrong?).
I'm definitely going to try pepcid, but whats this link with cancer? What kind of cancer am I more likely to get?
Does my drinking behaviour affect my "odds"? Will zyrtec or pepcid affect?
Thanx!

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I only add the pills to help break down the toxin stuff.  My friend had liver cancer at the age of 25, and was told to live for a year max when they found it.  So yea I don't wanna die that fast.  It works without the pills, but I also add them for insurance that I wont get all red and get headaches. I only take 3 pills with each shake.   One day I was like whoa my shake kept me from getting red face after couple drinks. So I drank and made like a million different shakes till I found the one that worked.  I love it you can naturually get drunk, and screw the pepcid AC that shit got my chick friend fat. alright later.

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Oh yea! GUEST 7 haha
Your question uhhh. Just by a damn juice machine their like cheap as hell.  Then just by a bottle or 12 pack of beer start mixing fruits and veges. Then start drinking both the alcohol and shakes toghter.  FOr me I had to add the vitamn pills and salt water to make the shake work.  Plus its healthy. It took me a while to get the formula correct.  Like spicy veges fuked me up, and so did hydrocicut.  I've been drinking this shake for about 3 months, and I drink every weekend.  It almost makes you feel like you don't have it anymore.

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Six times that day?  Are you serious?  What about just once that day?  Seems  like a lot of prep.  Have you noticed if it works for less than six shakes?

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Maybe someone can help me out.

I take Pepcid AC and it works

but my question is...

does your body build a tolerance for it?

Later on will i be needing to take more tablets then i do now?

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curious wrote:

Maybe someone can help me out.

I take Pepcid AC and it works

but my question is...

does your body build a tolerance for it?

Later on will i be needing to take more tablets then i do now?

from my experience my body builds up a tolerence for it if i drink every weekend straight. it slowly doesnt work as well. seems to be better when i take breaks from drinking, but doesnt seem to work the same as when i first took it. so yes your body does build up a tolerence for it.

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I've noticed that claritin does attenuate flushing if taken several hours earlier in the day. But will try pepcid alone and  in concert with the claritin.  Because of the flush, I turned to drugs as it was much fun'r than turning red and having that speedy feeling like you're gonna od on coke -- plus acid is really cheaper and longer lasting and better for you. You dont destroy your liver with acid and you're dealing with mics not even mils, yeah. But now my red faced asian brethren (and the norweigan dude too), since my md friends have failed miserably to alter my liver to stimulate it to produce more of the enzyme we so desperately crave, I will pop those pepcids, wait the required hour, and begin drinkin agin. But remember, if you are totally hammered on marijuana, claritin, sudafed, valium, and acid, well you don't really give a crap who is there because it's the music that is important. Really don't be so self conscious -- there's probably a psychological component to your flushing too you know. In other words, wave your freak flag high and red you liquor lovin drunks. If you don't want to drink because of getting red, try pretending you are an alcoholic -- say things like, "well controlled drinkin isn't in the big book". Guaranteed to kill eveyone's buzz and curiously attract a lot of weird girls too. Alright where's my jack pepsi?

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man that natifus, whoooooo i wonder if anyone thinks his/her posts are funny.

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I don't know if this was mentioned since this thread is so huge.  For me, having a hearty meal before drinking helps as the food can absorb the alcohol to slow the blushing.  I find cheese to be a very good absorbent (i.e. on a pizza, mac and cheese).  Pasta also seems to work pretty good.  As long as you're not slamming your drinks, you can delay the blushing by your 2nd or 3rd drink.

I've used Claritin as well at least a couple of hours before drinking.  It seems to help some because of the antihistamines.

Seems a lot of people find Pepcid works very well.  I might give that a shot.

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I don't know if this was mentioned since this thread is so huge.  For me, having a hearty meal before drinking helps as the food can absorb the alcohol to slow the blushing.  I find cheese to be a very good absorbent (i.e. on a pizza, mac and cheese).  Pasta also seems to work pretty good.  As long as you're not slamming your drinks, you can delay the blushing by your 2nd or 3rd drink.

I've used Claritin as well at least a couple of hours before drinking.  It seems to help some because of the antihistamines.

Seems a lot of people find Pepcid works very well.  I might give that a shot.

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ok lets all get a poll on ethnicities here.  they say this affects most southeast asians, so let's get a feel for the board.  i'll start, i'm vietnamese.

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Despite using pepcid,  I still find that I cannot drink as much as everyone else, and I soon start to feel sick... anyone else experience this?  Is it due to a half oriental body make-up?

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Wow,  discovered this thread after "google-ing" for flush face from alcohol. Im 33 years old and have been turning red after drinking since I was a teenager. I took one Pecid AC Max last night about an hour after eating and about 30 minutes before drinking a 3/4 bottle of wine. Normaly this would turn me into a "cooked" lobster but instead I only turned  slighty pink with a warm glow, not hot. I was amazed at how great it felt to drink and look and feel normal. Pepcid definitely works wonders. I wish I knew this 15 years ago! Tonight I will drink beer and post the results. Thank you all for your posts and happy drinking for all!

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Took one Max Pepcid AC one hour before drinking my first beer on an empty stomach. Was doing great to about my 3rd or 4th beer when my face started turning red as usual. Wonder if its because I ate too much. Although it only lasts about an hour and then went away. Heart rate was slightly fast but thats normal with any alcohol. Im gonna try 2 next time and take it 30 minutes before and see what happends.

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Since my last post went unnoticed by the previous two posters, I'd like to reiterate that it might be interesting to cull some data on the ethnicities on the board.  They say that this seems to affect mostly Souteast Asians, I'd like to see if that is a fair reflection from visitors of this forum.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Pepcid-AC-Maximum-S … dZViewItem

Pepcid AC great deal, ships internationally.

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I'm of Chinese descent, 100%.  I don't think this is a Southeast Asian phenomenon.  There are some Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans that turn beet red after the first drink.

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That link to eBay for pepcid ac is not a great deal.  I bought 2 bottles of 90 tablets for $12 and $5 for shipping.  That link is offering 100 tablets for $30 and $10 for shipping... ie a rip off.  If you are buying from eBay just search for it.  There are cheaper deals.

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Pepcid worked for me a couple of times and has now stoped working ,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the red face is back ! and my god the thumping head !!

I'm going to give up !!!!

Alcohol brings out the worst in people anyway !!!

take a pill instead ;-)

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Aussie guy wrote:

Pepcid worked for me a couple of times and has now stoped working ,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the red face is back ! and my god the thumping head !!

I'm going to give up !!!!

Alcohol brings out the worst in people anyway !!!

take a pill instead ;-)

try zantac haha it works for me

i take two 45min before drinking, and im fine. except if i have to much haha, it comes back, but hardly anyone notices

i dont eat while drinking i think it makes the redness come back, i havnt tryed it, but iv read it through this forum.

btw im aussie/cambo

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-A THOUGHT FOR ALL: Instead of taking this "problem" on solo, I suggest all of you work toghter as a spare time project. Rather than finding dead end solutions with your own self-experiments.  Many solutions were handed out as I read/listed, and very few of you even considered trying them out.  If you are an individual with the inactive ALDH2, then you are part of this depressed social community.  For the time I have been gone the topics still remain the same, and the rest of the forums are left untouched.  I have proposed before a meeting day where instead of ranting and talking about it, the asian flush community take more of a scientific approach to this problem. More as if study it to help find a solution. ( Fact:It is impossible for you to break down the alcohol toxins without the active gene. ) Basically why I stress hangover pills!  I listed a bunch of temp cures, and no one has tried them. It is as if you demand a cure, but have no will to find it.  So for those who do have the will to find a better working solution for the "Asian Flush", I will be here to help all individuals threw with this.  In science someone always finds a way. If anyone is interested in a meeting day on this forum please post.

-South East Asians:Mainly its 30%-50% of Asians/Native Americans/Pacific Islanders with the Flush, and not just South East Asians.  Figures will never be exact to how many really do have the inactive gene, it was an estimation due to surveys.  It is also a fact that South East Asians in the USA do consume a lot less alcohol than other Asians, also this was a survey result.  Flush complections isn't always red, it could have a purplish etc..due to skin pigment. If you are wondering why certain nationalitys drink more, it is due to culture.  Majority of Asian American Females abstain from drinking, except Japanese females who are sort of the complete opposites. Koreans are the highest among non drinkers. Here is one of my old post with statistics.
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Statistics: by Nationality:Feb 2002:J.Mamino: Alcoholims in Asian Society: Researched 11/99-01/02:Lab test 29J004LM:Statistics Approved for Display 08/04:Survey Asian American Alcoholism 23.B.8: Released 11/99: Data collected by O.Natifus: Researched by J.Mamino:Lab29J004LM:Content:00330P:

Note:vietnamese,thai,cambodian,pacific islander,taiwanese,mongol:Excluded:Due to low numbers of individuals in Survey.
Ages:21 and up

*Survey Results:Asian American Males by nationality
Drinking Habbits:Do not drink/refrain from drinking
Japanese:16%
Filipino:20%
Chinese:23%
Korean:45%

*Survey Results:Asian American Females by nationality
Drinking Habbits:Do not drink/refrain from drinking
Japanese:25%
Chinese:50%
Filipino:57%
Korean:72%

Survey Results:Asian American Males by nationality
Drinking Habbits:Heavy
Japanese:29%
Chinese:15%
Filipino:29%
Korean:27%

Survey Results:Asian American Females by nationality
Drinking Habbits:Heavy
Japanese:12%
Chinese:2%
Filipino:3.5%
Korean:1%

Note:This survey was not used to research for the ALDH2*2 gene.
This survey is to show the low amounts of alcohol usage by the 4 major nationalities in the US.

The ALDH2*2 did have an effect on the non drinkers: As some commented symptoms of "Asian Flush". Some said having an ill feeling, those we didn't take as having the ALDH2*2 gene. For over consumtion of alcohol may have been the cause.

Info:Flushing can occur fast(1/4 bottle of beer or less), or couple drinks (2-3 beers). Pending on individual, and drinking habbits. Most flush fast for first time drinkers.
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-Recent surveys show Vietnamese American use of Alocohol is also very low. About half of Vietnamese women abstrain from drinking and about 1/4 of men abstrain from drinking.  Please do not conclude that this information has to do with certain nationalities having the ALDH2 gene. As in a college experiment about 50% of individuals with Chinese decent had the inactive gene, and about 38% of individuals with Korean decent had the inactive gene.  The exact number or a good estimation of how many individuals with Mongloid decent have the inactive gene cannot be determined.  Figures and studies in different times/locations/varaiables show 1/3 - 1/2 of Mongloids have the inactive gene.........................