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i took two Pepcid AC MAX 40 minutes before drinking on an empty stomach:
i had 2 belvedere vodka drinks within a 90 minute period. 

I still turned pink.  I don't feel this product is working very well

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Sam wrote:

from my experience pepcid starting to reduce its effectivness after a while. we need to come together and get the word out to drug companies that there is a need and market for this type of medical research. i want to be able to drink without getting red before i get too old! =)

yeah, never mind working on a cure for cancer, we asians want to drink!

but seriously, i just bought a pack of zantac relief (150mg) which is available OTC in Australia. I'll try it tonight and report back

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russ wrote:
Sam wrote:

from my experience pepcid starting to reduce its effectivness after a while. we need to come together and get the word out to drug companies that there is a need and market for this type of medical research. i want to be able to drink without getting red before i get too old! =)

yeah, never mind working on a cure for cancer, we asians want to drink!

but seriously, i just bought a pack of zantac relief (150mg) which is available OTC in Australia. I'll try it tonight and report back

i heard pepcide is better, but hardly can get it in australia.... dam aye

did it work for you zantac?????????

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well i took one zantac relief pill (150mg), waited 40 minutes and had one standard drink. that would normally be enough to increase heart rate, and have very noticable reddening of the face. but after taking the zantac my face was only very slightly redder, it did feel warmer, but a definite improvement.

the recommended daily dosage is 2 pills, so i'll try 2 next time with more drinks.

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i always turn red when i drink! i think ill try this pepcid or zantac trick! i just had a baby 3 weeks ago and sat down last nite with my bf and drank half of a cooler and once cheek turned totally red and hot and i felt sick. im hoping this stuff works. im not asian... does this happen usually only to asians?

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Lacie wrote:

i always turn red when i drink! i think ill try this pepcid or zantac trick! i just had a baby 3 weeks ago and sat down last nite with my bf and drank half of a cooler and once cheek turned totally red and hot and i felt sick. im hoping this stuff works. im not asian... does this happen usually only to asians?

usually asians are the ones that have the gene deficency and American Indians, but im sure it can happen to all races and nationalities.

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isn't combining pepcid and alcohol really bad for you?

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1 thing I discovered on the weekend was as follows >

I took my 40mg of Pepcidine 1 hrs and 30 mins before my first BEER, no red face
2nd, 3rd & 4th BEER still no red face & feeling GOOD !!!

I was then seated for a meal at a function, eating the meal while drinking my 5th BEER ,

then I started to feel that old feeling coming back again !!!! and sure enough someone said " why are you red "?
SHIT  !!!     I popped another pill and stopped drinking

and then started to get a headache BUT the red face was gone in about 40 minutes ( it was red but not as red as I have been I discovered Pepcidine  )

my conclusion to this is

You cant start drinking and then eat..............!!!!!!   as my theory is the food you are eating effects the Pepcidine effectiveness



Anyone else have a comment ????

or ways to get around this??

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Aussie guy wrote:

1 thing I discovered on the weekend was as follows >

I took my 40mg of Pepcidine 1 hrs and 30 mins before my first BEER, no red face
2nd, 3rd & 4th BEER still no red face & feeling GOOD !!!

I was then seated for a meal at a function, eating the meal while drinking my 5th BEER ,

then I started to feel that old feeling coming back again !!!! and sure enough someone said " why are you red "?
SHIT  !!!     I popped another pill and stopped drinking

and then started to get a headache BUT the red face was gone in about 40 minutes ( it was red but not as red as I have been I discovered Pepcidine  )

my conclusion to this is

You cant start drinking and then eat..............!!!!!!   as my theory is the food you are eating effects the Pepcidine effectiveness



Anyone else have a comment ????

or ways to get around this??

I think you're on to something here...  Maybe we can just stop eating alltogether so that we can have an occasional drink... great idea!!

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So your recommendations are for us NOT to eat before taking Pepcid AC?
or to eat and then take it a lil more than an hour?
or does this even factor into the redness.??
can anyone claify?

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Sorry for my leave!
Some basic information for the common confusions.
-Aussie guy wrote about eating and the flushing returning. Certain foods/Spices act as a placebo, and will greaten your sensitivity.
I also notice all you blame the inactive enzyme for causing the Asian Flush symptoms.
-The body can bypass the normal breaking down of alcohol, threw another method(not going to explain). Which alcoholics process majority of the alcohol threw.  YES! Drinking more does reduce the symptoms/mask the symptoms, but greatens risk of cancer.
-The expensive drug used to surpress Asian Flush.
4-methylpyrazole(4MP)/Antizol cost is $3,000-$4,000 a pack.  4MP is also found in Rimonabant. A diet pill that is designed to cut off certain functions to make you not want to eat. 4MP also is found in many other pills.  4MP and Rimonabant,other diet pills, so on etc... do have nasty/severe side effects.

Have to go for now..

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it is back , back with even power than before. I am going to go nuts. All summer i thought it had gone. now in the winter my skin has broken out bad and even 1/2 pint of beer and i look like a freak.

please please can someone help me. this f**king sucks.

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I used to get it fairly bad, but I know that I am heterozygous.  I dont really get it anymore (i am 20, so it doesnt take 30 years to get used to), except for after 4-5 beers, but I try to keep my metabolism in working order by drinking 1 or 2 a day during the week.  I also used to use pepcid ac, but although I am not a biologist, I can feel the combination of it and alcohol laying my body to waste.  So I just take vitamins (they sell antioxidants specifically for alcohol too), and stop drinking when I get red, or stop feeling good.  If you are heterozygous and drink a little each day youll probably get used to it, even if you feel like a total loser for a little while.  On the other hand, what is so loserish about drinking a little every night, especially if you are asian and you end up having a blast after like a beer?  All I have to say is pepcid and alcohol has got to be so uberly bad!!  I suggest drinking to enjoy it, and alotta vits.  -

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following up, during the week i'll have 1 or 2 on a full stomach, so it absorbs slower, and I dont get red at all, and feel really good (sometimes ill get the funky heartbeat in the temples).  I used to drink them slower and get pinkish like two weeks ago, but now nuthin.  I usually take vitamin c, multiple b, and B3 separately (niacinamide) twice a day before dinner as well.  I know how worrying about this bs is an insane waste of time, so whatever solution minimizes the amount you think about it is definitely the best.  i remember thinking about how non-flushers asian and non-asian are so lucky to be comfortable about it but we can be too, after a little practice.

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PLEASE READ

Well most of your concerns are the redness.  There are ways to get rid of the redness.
The redness comes from dialating blood vessels. When the blood vessels dialate heavy ammount of blood are passing threw, which causes the red appearance.

The redness, headaches, heat are caused by increase of blood flow. Paul Lyness wrote below his concern why the change in season had caused the flushing to return.  Weather,food,drinks,alcohol,wind,sun,etc can all play apart in why your redness has returned. It appears that you have sensitive skin, which may be the reason it returned. If you had acne, pimples(above average),zits(above average) it means you have sensitive skin. Most asians who have "Asian Flush" have sensitive skin, and have/had higher rates of pimples,zits,and acne than the average person in their life time. Thou remember flushing is caused by dialating blood vessels, and alcohol does dialate your blood vessels. Everything below is towards reducing flushing(dialating blood vessels), and not all symptoms of alcohol. Ways to stop dialation of blood vessels.

I remember someone saying after they work out, it increases the rate of flushing.
Salt and water is secreted from the skin during persperation.  If you didn't know. Salt water is used to keep your blood vessels from dialating, it causes the blood vessels to constrict. Allowing less blood to flow, and less blood flow means less redness. Replenish your elctrolights.  Drinking fresh carrot juice can help reduce flushing daramaticly, before/after/during alcohol consumption. Drinking Salt water will constrict stomach areas,intestines, etc...Causing less intake of toxins,slows metabolism,so on... and should also help you have higher intake of alcohol before flushing/possible flushing.

Laser surgery! There is a laser surgery treatment for blood vessels. Laser surgery can cauterize the blood vessels restricting blood flow, and can take up to more than one treatment to stop you from flushing period.

Topical Tacrolimus,Minocycline, Rosex, and other topical creams.! Is an ointment used to help reduce the redness in facial areas, please read instructions on use.

I have said before, not everything works for everyone.

HOPE THIS HELPS OUT!
Be back in 2 weeks take care.

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Hey all,
for those living in Australia, pepcid can only be bought from a doctor's prescription $30 for pack of 30. if you just explain to the doc your situation they should readily hand you a prescription with repeats. this worked for me.

Ive been taking 100mg of pepcid before a big night for 1 year now and have had no obvious consequences.(whether this screws your liver/stomach in the long term, im unsure) I get no redness. Some people in this forum only need to take 10mg of pepcid to stop the redness, so it depends on your body. just experiment.
In my experience taking 120mg gave me realy bad headaches.

For social drink (2-3 drinks) i need 80mg.

Also i found zantac didnt work as well as pepcid.

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Natifus wrote:

PLEASE READ

Laser surgery! There is a laser surgery treatment for blood vessels. Laser surgery can cauterize the blood vessels restricting blood flow, and can take up to more than one treatment to stop you from flushing period.

Topical Tacrolimus,Minocycline, Rosex, and other topical creams.! Is an ointment used to help reduce the redness in facial areas, please read instructions on use.

I have said before, not everything works for everyone.

HOPE THIS HELPS OUT!
Be back in 2 weeks take care.

Laser surgery ? is that a permanent?

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also you mentioned the headaches and heat is there a way of getting rid of this ?

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hey everyone 

                   im from singapore thank god i got to read about these web as a cure for these irritating asian glow which bothers me really for long time but i have find lots of pharmacy and other retails in singapore but there is no sign of these product maybe is because its a us product  is there anyone had any source for me ? i need help so hope uall could help me really thanks if u can help me u can reply me at sneakino@hotmail.com thanks

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zantac works!!!!

i took 2pills 150mg

drunk like a mother *!#&$ and no redness at ALL .... MWHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

only thing it didnt help was my red eyes lol

when i drink i get red eyes... didnt help :( but i put drops it was aight




you know somepeople take 20mg of pepcid, and i take *!#&$ 300mg ...... should i half my 150mg in half??? so its 75mg???

beacuse 300 looks so much compared to 20mg !!!!!!!

CAN SOMEBODY REPLY TO ME PLEASE

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You can't just compare the dosage levels between Zantac and Pepcid.  They are two entirely different chemical compounds which require very different concentrations to be effective.  Zantac (ranitidine) is not the same as Pepcid (famotidine).  75 mg of ranitidine has the same effectiveness as 20 mg of famotidine.

So, I hope nobody does the *opposite* of what reddragon suggests.  Don't think that you should go and take 150-300 mg of Pepcid!  At some point, this stuff probably isn't good for you in huge dosages.

Hope that helps.

-Skip

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Skipper wrote:

You can't just compare the dosage levels between Zantac and Pepcid.  They are two entirely different chemical compounds which require very different concentrations to be effective.  Zantac (ranitidine) is not the same as Pepcid (famotidine).  75 mg of ranitidine has the same effectiveness as 20 mg of famotidine.

So, I hope nobody does the *opposite* of what reddragon suggests.  Don't think that you should go and take 150-300 mg of Pepcid!  At some point, this stuff probably isn't good for you in huge dosages.

Hope that helps.

-Skip

Actually, I made a mistake on my last post. 

Zantac (ranitidine) is not the same as Pepcid (famotidine).  75 mg of ranitidine has the same effectiveness as *10* mg of famotidine not 20.  Sorry for the mistake.

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so if i take more zantec, will it do the same as less pepcide?

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Skipper wrote:
Skipper wrote:

You can't just compare the dosage levels between Zantac and Pepcid.  They are two entirely different chemical compounds which require very different concentrations to be effective.  Zantac (ranitidine) is not the same as Pepcid (famotidine).  75 mg of ranitidine has the same effectiveness as 20 mg of famotidine.

So, I hope nobody does the *opposite* of what reddragon suggests.  Don't think that you should go and take 150-300 mg of Pepcid!  At some point, this stuff probably isn't good for you in huge dosages.

Hope that helps.

-Skip

Actually, I made a mistake on my last post. 

Zantac (ranitidine) is not the same as Pepcid (famotidine).  75 mg of ranitidine has the same effectiveness as *10* mg of famotidine not 20.  Sorry for the mistake.

thanks for the info skipper!!

so im taking 300mg(zantac) = 40mg(pepcid) :)

thats good to know hehe, im loving this shit lets hope there isnt any long term effects... im scared :P

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Just some clarification. Does Zantac work the same as Pepcid, but i have to just take more of it? And Pepcid is a prescription drug whilst Zantac isnt?
I'm confused