Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

hey japalian I'm probably the wrong person to ask as I havn't tried any pills yet  but it seems pepcid ac max 2x 40mg is the way to go reading through the post, most  people reccomenend taking them on an empty stomach but  one intresting thing today is that I skippd tea and drunk 6 beers and didn't have to bad of a red face, normaly after 3 beers I would be beat. So makes me wonder drinking on an empty stomach makes most the difference pecid or not, I hear the same from other asian freinds if they don't eat 5 hours prior to drinking they would see the best results. apparently if you eat a big meal and take pecid you'd still be in trouble hmmmmm I still got pepcid max to try I'll post to let ya know how it goes

827

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Thanks for the support Steph.
I probably won't even tell her. I don't know. I'll see how things go.

I'm writing a paper for school tonight and had a rough week so I decided to have some drinks and just do this stuff... 3 pepcids before.

I'm drinking captain and coke. I'm not measuring shots or anything so I couldn't specify how much I've had. I'm ok though. Not red at all, thank goodness, but my feet and hands feel like they're pumping. Blah.

828 (edited by Dimples25 2007-07-15 20:04:09)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

kiwiguy25 wrote:

hey japalian I'm probably the wrong person to ask as I havn't tried any pills yet  but it seems pepcid ac max 2x 40mg is the way to go reading through the post, most  people reccomenend taking them on an empty stomach but  one intresting thing today is that I skippd tea and drunk 6 beers and didn't have to bad of a red face, normaly after 3 beers I would be beat. So makes me wonder drinking on an empty stomach makes most the difference pecid or not, I hear the same from other asian freinds if they don't eat 5 hours prior to drinking they would see the best results. apparently if you eat a big meal and take pecid you'd still be in trouble hmmmmm I still got pepcid max to try I'll post to let ya know how it goes

Hey i sorta tried this unintentionally. I was workign all day.. and too busy to eat... the last main thing i ate was a sausage roll at around 4pm. Had drinks that  nite... and only took 40mg of pepcid.. i prefer not to take 60mg cause i dont want to work up a intolerance. I ordered a midi of pure blone ( a beer) at around 7.30 drank it farely slowly... then right after it i had another midi at around 8.30... I felt my face getting hot.. but i looked in the mirror and didnt see much red.. I also felt that the hot feeling wasnt so bad.

So yes i do agree it is better if you dont eat at all! which is a real bitch cause i was starving last nite. When i got home i devoured like 2 toasties!

Yeah i know i still took pepcid.. but by not taking a higher dosage of pepcid ie. 60mg or more, i still feel i get a bit red.... but i think overall... an empty stomach... 40mg and making the first drink a slow one you are still looking aok! i will try the starving technique with no pepcid soon.

So japalian... look if its your first time 40mg shoudl suffice you... if u need to take more then thats up to u... u are the judge of your own body.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

japalian wrote:

ps- what kind of pepcid ac should i buy and works best, im form canada by the way

any u can get... and generic is aok!

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I know it really sux not eating because I just love to eat and I can eat alot, but sometimes I find I can eat later in the night and not be to red but I do find I get red patches that start coming up which I hate I think I'd rather be all pink or all red rather than the splotchy look.

Drunk a 2 litre wine cast in the weekend and was passed out by midnight man was I drunk and flushed at the same time.

831

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I’m 46, 100% Chinese, and have dealt with Asian flush for 30 years.     I use the same methods as described in previous posts to control the redness.    Basically:

- Eat light ~ 2 –3 hours prior to drinking
- Drink slowly for the first 30 to 60 minutes until the initial reaction goes away
- I’m good to go after the first initial reaction
- Avoid all foods until the alcohol is gone from your system (this can be a long time)
- If I must eat (ie. Business dinners), I eat an Allegra prior to eating.
- I usually drink Bud Light, Mich Ultra, and Irish Whisky

I just purchased Pepcid AC and will try this week and see how it works.

This is a great website!   By far the most informative I’ve seen on this subject!

832

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi all....

Just dropping a friendly reminder. Until further evidence/studies arise - no flush does not meet the acetaldehyde is not present. I could just be "masked". Acetaldehyde is very toxic and carcinogenic. Asian's who flush do so because they cannot break down acetaldehyde. So even though you are now able to enjoy the pleasures of drinking, PLEASE keep it moderate. We flushers just cannot get rid of acetaldehyde like regular people can. If you constantly flood your bodies with a toxic cancer-causing agent, you are asking for trouble.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi Everyone,

                         Thanks to echeng and steph for starting and contributing to this forum, I have found it really useful.I had stumbled across this site maybe 1.5 years ago and tried initially tried Zantac and now also a generic brand of Famotidine. I have had some success with both but it doesnt stop the redness completely. For some reason I seem to remember having more success with Zantac, however will need to try it again to be sure. You need a prescription in Australia to get famo, and it only comes in 40mg per tablet, so its either 40mg or 80mg, most people seem to have had success with just 40 so I think I will cut down to 40 and see how it goes. I only drink every now and then, however after taking 80mg and after 3-4 beers I seemed to have been feeling nauseous but not drunk, however I seem to recall taking Zantac and being able to consume more and still feel ok. Also I seem to have occasional pain in my side recently for some reason, not sure if this is from too much famo or probably just a coincidence, thats why i am reluctant about taking more than 40mg.

Does anyone find taking more mg makes you less able to tolerate the alcohol?
Has anyone had any noticeable side effects?
Has anyone found Zantac work better than Pepcid?
Has anyone used the generic famotidine and found it to be effective? 

Thanks Guys, together we can beat this thing haha.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Thanks for the info on this great site and thread!! As others have noted, I'm a full Asian male and have had this reaction since I started drinking alcohol over 10years ago. At first, I would get quite red from even a half beer. Through the years, I would only get it if I when drinking at a bar with the intent of getting drunk. If I had a beer or two with dinner, it would be hardly noticible.

I just tried Pepcid ac max this past weekend and it worked great. I took it after dinner about 30mins before going out on a night of binge drinking. I can tell you that I felt and saw pretty much no redness at all, as we went out for a friends bday and pictures were taken throughout the night. I can also say that my tolerance went up, so it took me more drinks to get me drunk. On a high note, I also didn't feel a bad hangover the day after like I sometimes do. Oh, and one of the nights I only took 1 pill instead of two and it seemed to do the trick for me, so I may stick to one 20mg per night.

Thanks again for the great info!!!!

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hello all,

I've gotten used to the fact i get the asian flush. My friends don't ask or say anything about it so thats good.. My only worry is, the nausea feeling. I tend to get it even half way through my first drink. Is there any way i can prevent getting the feeling like i'm going to throw up or to stop me from thorwing up when i drink altogether..??
I read in a previous post that Gaviscon helps with this situation.. Does it..??
Has anyone tryed it and was it successful?? And if so, how should i take it..??

Please help.

Thank you!!

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hey everyone.

I've tried Pepcid and it works great. I only need to take one pill it seems, but i don't really mind a mild flush as long as its not the full blown red. Before Pepcid I used to be tomato red after a couple sips of anything and it became quite embarrassing. However a new problem has arisen (quite literally actually) when I drink beer. Now i don't particularly like beer, but it's not like I can't drink it. However it seems after maybe a couple of beers I have a pretty strong gag reflex. I wonder if its my body's response to alcohol because it's really not that much drinking. Is this a problem solved by Gaviscon? Can it be safely taken with Pepcid AC? Or am i just asking to get alcohol poisoning by combining the two? Any help would be much appreciated.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I've actually been around the forums for almost a year now, but have always been a little busy with school, so a lot less time for drinking. But here's my experiences with Pepcid AC Max.

I'm 5'6, Vietnamese male, 130 lbs., super intolerant and having 1/2 a shot of anything turns me into a tomato, from my waist up. Thank god I found pepcid... I started with 2 * 20 mg pills (50% less red), but 3 * 20 mg does the trick for me (like 80% less red), and I usually take them 30 minutes prior to drinking on a full stomache...just 'cuz I like to eat. I have yet to try 80 mg, that might be overkill, and hasten my intolerance. Of course the other conditions that comes with drinking includes higher pulses, slight headaches, etc, but the more pills I take, the less the aforementioned problems affect me.

At parties I like to start off with a beer, maybe some girly drinks like strawberry daiquiries (lol they're good!), and let the pink settle in, talk to some people, keep an eye on the time--it's important to have drinks in between long periods of time--then go straight for the heavy stuff. The difference between taking 2 shots at once and waiting 15 mins to take the 2nd shot is that I'll become redder for a good 10-15 mins, but if I wait those 15 minutes to take the 2nd shot, my redness is consistent. On a good night, I can have 4-6 drinks in a 1-2 hour time period and still appear pink. I still don't know what it feels like to have a hang over...one time I had about 8 shots of hard liquor, vodka, rum, hypnotiq, stuff for new year's in about 3-4 hours, and only got as far as throwing up half way lol.. you know, some of the pasta from last night shoots up your throat with that rum you just swallowed lol disgusting.

Last night, my apt mates and I were playing some Wii sports, lose a game, take a shot. I didn't know we were drinking until one of my buddies got home, so I only swallowed 60 mg 5 mins before I took my first shot of Skyy. I was hoping a game of wii tennis would last longer than 20 minutes...but we were usually done in 5 minutes. I lost 3 times... took 3 shots + the one in the beginning... that's 4 shots in less than 20 minutes. I felt terrible, blood rushing to my head, uncontrollable sweating...and for the first time, I saw red spots on my chest since I began taking pepcid ac, but what's amazing is that my face was still that usual 80% less red than normal, okay maybe like 75% but not red at all.

That's to say that waiting 30+ minutes before drinking and having a + 1 drink in between 15-20 minutes will keep your flush consistent.

838

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hey guys,
This website has been great not just for advice, but knowing that there's actually a lot of us out there suffering from this cursed affliction. I tried Pepcid AC for the first time this weekend, and it was not as successful as I thought it'd be, although I didn't follow the book. Usually when I drink, I turn beet red, blood rushes to the head, racing pulse, chills, unbearable nausea (I usually vomit several times), etc. so needless to say, I don't drink often. My friend had Pepcid AC Complete chewables though, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I ate a bit, only took 2 pills (10mg each), and waiting for an hour before drinking. I drank Malibu and mango juice slowlyyy over an hour and what do you know, the redness, blood rushing, and racing pulse come back. However, the chills and nausea stayed away, so that was a small success. Anyway, did the chewables have anything to do with my busted experiment? Since the dosage was only 20mg, maybe it was too weak to make a huge difference. The weirdest thing, was that for the first time, I started breaking out in hives on my chest. I stopped after that one drink because it didn't seem to be doing anything for me, but should I have continued drinking? Any advice? Hopefully I'm not one of the unlucky few who will never be able to drink, even lightly. I just want to be able to have a drink or two at a bar, and not just sip Coke or have to tell the bartender to "go easy on the alcohol" lol.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hello my red friends.

I am a 19-year-old (legal in my country) halfie (French/Korean) who is 6'1", 180lbs and about 8% body fat.  I started drinking early last year and suffered from the extreme redness and accelerated heart-rate that most people on here have mentioned.  I did not, however, ever feel nauseated or experience headaches (unless I drank way too much).  Needless to say, drinking wasn't a very fun activity for me.

Then, last summer I went to Germany with some friends from college, and since it was Germany and there was basically nothing else to do but drink A LOT, we got plastered about 4 times a week (I spent the other 3 days burning off the calories consumed the night before).  I probably averaged about 12 beers each night for a month.  I noticed that by the third week, the redness had reduced dramatically (about 50%) and my heart-rate was only slightly higher than normal.  I still felt like I was wearing a wool sweater in the middle of the Sahara, though.  I could take 4 beers in an hour before any symptoms were noticeable, for the next 2 beers I would be a bit pink, and then for the last 6 beers I looked rather normal.

I continued to drink moderately after I returned from Germany (about twice a week, same dosage), and my Asian flush symptoms stayed at pretty much the same level as that of the last two weeks of hard drinking in Germany.  Then, along came track and field season, during which time I really couldn't afford to undermine my training regime with alcohol.  I was basically sober for 5 months, and when I started drinking again after the season was over, my Asian flush was as bad as it was when I first started.  Now I'm looking into the Pepcid solution because I don't really feel like undergoing another month of heavy drinking to get my tolerance up.

This post is probably going to lead some people to intense alcoholism, because it is proof that sustained heavy drinking can improve symptoms, but I don't care because it probably also means that the same alcoholic will feel more comfortable during parties and have a higher chance of getting laid.  So, my alcoholic Asian friends, go forth and multiply using this drug-free solution to your scarlet problems.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I'm rather amazed that this "condition" actually affects so many people! I'm half Chinese and had heart surgery as a child and thought that the redness after drinking was something to do with my circulation due to the surgery.

I'm a little concerned about the idea of using heart burn medication in order to supress the redness though... Is that really a good idea? Is it not really bad for the stomach, and with excessive amounts of alcohol, could that not lead to other health problems? Does anyone know of any other things that could help reduce it? I'm a 2nd student with a very active social life and no amount of concealer will cover the flush!!!

841 (edited by Dimples25 2007-08-23 22:53:15)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Hi purple dragon fruit...

on this forum so far, i would say its about 10 people have said Pepecid doesnt work for them while everyone else (including me) has said its aok to use. But alot of people on this site have expressed that you do everything in moderation. I stress moderation. All i can say to you is that you try it out at home with a few beers (any drink really) and see how you go.

I myself havent had any stomach problems taking the pepcid and alcohol, if anything i noticed i could drink  alot more and didnt suffer any hangovers next day! but then again.. i really only take pepcid if im going to have a big one.. if its just dinner... i'll just have some soft drink.

There have been paper written about asians who go red are more prone to getting stomach/oesophagus cancers because we cant break down alocohol as fast the acetadalyhyde ( i think its that checmial) builds up in in. So really people like us, even if we do drink without pepcid, we have higher risks of getting cancer. Please read a few other of the forums to verify this, and read other peoples past experience with pepcid in this forum.

Of course i think if u abuse alcohol AND suffer our symptoms, your chances of getting cancer increase. BUt in moderation... im sure u will be ok. well thats what i think. MODERATION. in the end its your choice!

There are other ways to reduce red.... please read other posts..... Loratadine/ranitidine/claryntine combo. Or the no eating 5 hours before the combo. but u got to try what is best for u.

Hope that helps....

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

FrenchHalfie wrote:

Then, last summer I went to Germany with some friends from college, and since it was Germany and there was basically nothing else to do but drink A LOT, we got plastered about 4 times a week (I spent the other 3 days burning off the calories consumed the night before).  I probably averaged about 12 beers each night for a month.  I noticed that by the third week, the redness had reduced dramatically (about 50%) and my heart-rate was only slightly higher than normal.  I still felt like I was wearing a wool sweater in the middle of the Sahara, though.  I could take 4 beers in an hour before any symptoms were noticeable, for the next 2 beers I would be a bit pink, and then for the last 6 beers I looked rather normal.

I continued to drink moderately after I returned from Germany (about twice a week, same dosage), and my Asian flush symptoms stayed at pretty much the same level as that of the last two weeks of hard drinking in Germany.  Then, along came track and field season, during which time I really couldn't afford to undermine my training regime with alcohol.  I was basically sober for 5 months, and when I started drinking again after the season was over, my Asian flush was as bad as it was when I first started.  Now I'm looking into the Pepcid solution because I don't really feel like undergoing another month of heavy drinking to get my tolerance up.

Yes i feel this works... but hey man.. im heavily into my fitness... and the last thing i need is trying to work off 12 beers every week and get a pot belly!

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Dimples25 wrote:

calrytine...

what's that?

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Dimples25 wrote:
FrenchHalfie wrote:

Then, last summer I went to Germany with some friends from college, and since it was Germany and there was basically nothing else to do but drink A LOT, we got plastered about 4 times a week (I spent the other 3 days burning off the calories consumed the night before).  I probably averaged about 12 beers each night for a month.  I noticed that by the third week, the redness had reduced dramatically (about 50%) and my heart-rate was only slightly higher than normal.  I still felt like I was wearing a wool sweater in the middle of the Sahara, though.  I could take 4 beers in an hour before any symptoms were noticeable, for the next 2 beers I would be a bit pink, and then for the last 6 beers I looked rather normal.

I continued to drink moderately after I returned from Germany (about twice a week, same dosage), and my Asian flush symptoms stayed at pretty much the same level as that of the last two weeks of hard drinking in Germany.  Then, along came track and field season, during which time I really couldn't afford to undermine my training regime with alcohol.  I was basically sober for 5 months, and when I started drinking again after the season was over, my Asian flush was as bad as it was when I first started.  Now I'm looking into the Pepcid solution because I don't really feel like undergoing another month of heavy drinking to get my tolerance up.

Yes i feel this works... but hey man.. im heavily into my fitness... and the last thing i need is trying to work off 12 beers every week and get a pot belly!

Yeah, I know what you mean.  I am quite serious about track and field (I do the long jump) and I have worked hard to keep my body fat between 6-10% for the last 5 years.  While I was in Germany, this meant running about 40 miles per week, and INTENSE ab workouts to combat the pot belly.  So this method should probably be reserved for those of you who are either extremely dedicated to maintaining fitness levels, or don't mind being the fattest person in the club, although I highly recommend AGAINST the latter option, because in my opinion, being obese is considerably more embarrassing than being red...

Another thing to take note of, though, is that I was drinking beer.  If one were to try low calorie spirits (if there is such a thing) this strategy may be more viable for less fitness intensive people.

845 (edited by Dimples25 2007-08-23 22:56:15)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

tai4ji2x wrote:
Dimples25 wrote:

calrytine...

what's that?

Clarantyne.. u know its the stuff to help with allergies... (typo on my behalf before). See some previous threads in this discussionregarding clarintine/zantac...cant remeber which page.... in the 20's somewhere.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Dimples25 wrote:

Hi purple dragon fruit...

on this forum so far, i would say its about 10 people have said Pepecid doesnt work for them while everyone else (including me) has said its aok to use. But alot of people on this site have expressed that you do everything in moderation. I stress moderation. All i can say to you is that you try it out at home with a few beers (any drink really) and see how you go.

I myself havent had any stomach problems taking the pepcid and alcohol, if anything i noticed i could drink  alot more and didnt suffer any hangovers next day! but then again.. i really only take pepcid if im going to have a big one.. if its just dinner... i'll just have some soft drink.

There have been paper written about asians who go red are more prone to getting stomach/oesophagus cancers because we cant break down alocohol as fast the acetadalyhyde ( i think its that checmial) builds up in in. So really people like us, even if we do drink without pepcid, we have higher risks of getting cancer. Please read a few other of the forums to verify this, and read other peoples past experience with pepcid in this forum.

Of course i think if u abuse alcohol AND suffer our symptoms, your chances of getting cancer increase. BUt in moderation... im sure u will be ok. well thats what i think. MODERATION. in the end its your choice!

There are other ways to reduce red.... please read other posts..... Loratadine/ranitidine/claryntine combo. Or the no eating 5 hours before the combo. but u got to try what is best for u.

Hope that helps....

Hey, thanks for the advice! I've had a browse through the rest of the forums and read what other people have to say, very interesting stuff! I'll have a try at the no dairy and not eating 5 hours before and see how it goes. If that fails I'll try the other suggestions as well and see how they go as well... Hope it works for me!

847 (edited by Kimchi 2007-08-24 11:18:31)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Does anybody know if Reactine would work just the same as Peptic AC? Someone mentioned the anti-histamine effects to help reduce the redness so maybe? I always thought that Reactine+Alcohol meant bad news. Thanks.

848

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

Okay guys, I'm a 50+ female and have had to suffer this misery all my life until I discovered this site!

Pepcid 10mg x 2 seems to help me a lot. Although I'm not bothered these days about drinking heavily,  its nice just to be able to enjoy a glass of wine or two or a few drinks on holiday without turning into a blotchy beetroot.  Its just so embarrasing and uncomfortable. I'd got to the point where I wouldn't drink at all except at home with close family.  Antihists didn't help at all for me (I know because I take them for hay fever). Some have mentioned having to rush to the toilet when taking Pepcid - thats probably because of the Magnesium which I believe is a natural laxative. One thing to bear in mind though guys - your body is a wonderful thing - and by causing this flushing its telling you it isn't happy - so listen to it, take the Pepcid now and then and enjoy yourselves - but not too often!

From the Old Woman.

849 (edited by kayu 2007-09-30 10:16:46)

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

That Pepsid AC stuff really works.  I recommend going for at least two pills of the MAX instead of the standard, although it probably depends on how bad your flush is.

Plus, I have the same question as some other people.  Since Pepcid AC seems to get rid of a lot of the flush, does that mean it is actually breaking down alcohol normally so that the increased risks of cancer for Asian flushies wouldn't apply?  Or do the higher rates of cancer still apply regardless of Pepcid AC or not, in people who normally have Asian flush?

Thanks.

Re: H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid)

I stumbled across this site the other day and immediately bought Pepcid AC max.  Took two pills (40 mg total), waited 45 minutes, and had a glass of wine, which ordinarily would tomato-ize me.  I had the rapid heartbeat  that usually signals redness, and I felt warm and flushed.  But I looked in the mirror and I looked normal!  I didn't look like I was standing under an infrared bulb; it was all good.

I didn't get shitfaced drunk and only had a glass of wine, so I don't know how well it would work at, say, a night out with my K-town friends.  But the initial experiment was great.