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Discussion and anecdotes about the Asian Flush/Flush/Glow/Red Face (turning red when drinking alcohol), including using H2 blockers (e.g. Tagamet, Pepsid, Zantac) and other products to combat its effects. Hosted by Eric Cheng on http://echeng.com
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Jan 11, 2005: On December 3, 2003, I posted
a message in my web journal about the Asian Blush, which quickly resulted in over 100 very-informative comments. This forum is intended to be an information source for those of us looking for information about why we turn red when we drink alcohol.
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ForeverSearch wrote:Do you guys think that not being able to eat a few hours before is a big deal? Especially when you can take Pepcid.
More likely due to these people have already been scammed by phony products.
BTW, anything other than Fomepizole (also called Antizole) or Alda-1 will not do the trick and those are not available over the counter in the US. Anyone or any company touting the working solution without those two is not to be trusted.
ForeverSearch wrote:(I don't understand all the chemistry but he's showed me some of his notes).
Did he say Fomepizole or Alda-1?
Given that the cause of high level aetaldehyde build up in the body when drinking is due to fast metabolism of alcohol by certain individuals with such digestive gene, the solution is to slow down that metabolic rate when alcohol is consumed such as Convivia (fomepizole). If not, all the treatments to speed up aetaldehyde dehydrogenase won't be much of benefit when it comes to enjoying alcoholic beverages. What I mean by that is, those with such metabolic rate (such as myself) hardly get any buzz when drinking. Instead, they get sick from aetaldehyde. For that, not drinking alcohol is much cheaper and safer solution than drinking and taking treatments like Alda-1 or 89 to combat aetaldehyde while missing out on buzz / happy feeling.
Famitodine is about 90% effective for me only on flushing aspect but not much at all (close to 0%) on heart palpitation and headache which I consider more important.
For me, it got rid of about 80% of flushing. I'm still not satisfied with it.
Uni Pharma may not be the only source for Convivia type of pill. Here are couple others, one is in progress and the other may already be selling it to Europe, Asia and Middle East.
Each pack has 4 tabs and there are 12 packs in a box I bought. The instruction says take 2 tabs with a glass of water before and after drinking. I took 2 tabs 5 minutes before drinking and 2 more tabs after my 2nd drink. It kind of worked OK and I didn't feel sick like I would have if I drank without any protections. But it didn't feel pleasant either after an hour. After the buzz from alcohol, I felt tired and groggy.
My conclusion is that this isn't par with the reported effectiveness of Convivia or fomepizole.
Goose77 wrote:@ Dalmore. You are a trusted member of this site, please let me know how you personally get on with KISlip. Thankyou
I didn't know anything about KISlip until ADcarry mentioned it. I went online, did a search and saw a few retail outlets including Amazon which I ordered from about 3 weeks ago. Now that seller is out of stock for some reason.
As for the effectiveness of KISlip, as mentioned above, it works better than other products of this type I've tried so far (I've tried just about all) but I wish it works better. In other words, it's not 100% effective. Plus it's pricy. :-(
Looks like Amazon seller is out of stock. This site has it but price is considerably higher than what I saw on Amazon. :-(
ADcarry wrote:Hi. Guys.
Is there anyone heared about KisLip?
Its a kind of madicine that provide ALDH which is must needed enzyme to remove aldehyde. And its said that this madicine contain double amounts of ALDH normal person has.
If you are interested in this.
Search KISLIP on google.
Thanks for bringing this up. I placed an order 2 weeks ago on Amazon dot com and just received it.
It works better than any other pills of this type I've tried. Did it get rid of my AF? Not 100% but more like 80%. I finished 3 servings of drinks in an hour and no headaches or heart palpitation.
This may be the answer until Convivia becomes available to public!
battlingnelson, any luck with fomepizole?
Update, I take 400mg L-cysteine and 1200mg vitamin C which is double dosage of what's in that article. It works for me. The reason is that the article is for those with normal metabolism rate of alcohol. For those with alcohol flush symptoms, it would require more because of higher level of acetaldehyde release in the system.
You can give yourself a company name that's established today... :-)
battlingnelson wrote:Maybe up to 50% percent on a lucky day. Also, depends on whether I've recently eaten and stuff like that. Many nights, I've used Pepcid and still had 100% flush.
In case you haven't, try taking it on empty stomach about an hour before drinking.
battlingnelson wrote:I've never been able to get rid of the flushing with just antacids
Up to what percentage would you say antacids get rid of the flushing for you?
battlingnelson wrote:Were you able to take 200mg L-cysteine/600mg Vit-C exactly? I can only really find 500mg capsules of each, although I don't 500 mg L-cysteine/1g Vit-C would hurt.
I take little more because that's what each pill contains. I can go through extra effort and break up the pills but I don't. I don't think taking little more L-cysteine and vitamin C than recommended is bad.
Does the overactive enzyme that converts the alcohol to acetaldehyde quicker and gets rid of the buzz faster occur in all Asians with the flush? Or just a certain number?
As far as I know, it's about 40% among eastern Asians who suffer from alcohol induced flushing. I would say short lived buzz isn't that much of a problem. The real problem is sharp increase of acetaldehyde.
battlingnelson wrote:Is this the first time you've totally gotten rid of the flush using supplements?
No, I've gotten rid of flushing with just antacid pills but headache and heart palpitation are what bother me just as much as flushing.
It will be good news if fomepizole works for you but I think it's still too expensive. It would be great if one of those anti-hangover pill companies can buy fomepizole in bulk (usually costs less) and market it in pill form.
Anyone here have a connection with one of those companies?
In the mean time, I'm posting my results on taking l-cysteine and vitamin C in combination with antacid pill on H2 Blockers (Tagamet, Pepcid, Zantac, Axid) forum here.
Per post #1241 above, I took antacid about 1 hour ahead. Then L-cysteine and vitamin C just before having a beer. Then another dose of L-cysteine and vitamin C right after finishing a beer. It works well. No flushing, no headache and no heart palpitation. Only thing missing was the buzz. I only get about 5 minutes of it and then gone. I guess that means I'm one of those who metabolize alcohol fast.
Until Convivia or the likes become available on the market, this combo will be it for me.
battlingnelson wrote: but I think our cure is waiting right around the corner.
That's what I've been hearing for last 7 years. :-(
I received Before Elixir and tried it. It helps to solve about half of the flushing. It did better for heart palpitation and headaches issue though. I didn't like the taste of this liquid. It's not pleasant, to me at least. :(
Until Alda-1 becomes available on the market, I think cysteine and vitamin C can be alternative remedy for step 2 mentioned above. If Before Elixir works the way it's advertised, those two supplements which are already available on the market, can do the step 2, at least partially. This may eliminate the need for anti-acid products.
Here's a link to article on combating acetaldehyde: http://ceri.com/alcohol.htm Scroll down about half way and it shows "200 mg cysteine plus 600 mg of vitamin C (with or without extra B-1). I take one before I start drinking, one with each additional drink and one when I’m finished".
I have tried the above supplements without anti-acid and it only reduced flushing little bit. That may be due to my fast metabolizing of alcohol. Only if that metabolic rate can be brought down to normal level, I may be able to drink like others... :-)
Goose77 wrote:It isn't a complete fix, they reckon each bottle let's you have about 3-4 drinks. It's obviously not the magic full fix we're all looking for.
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I wonder how it could work with a famotidine/before elixir combo??
What I would consider the magic full fix for the AF sufferers is something that does two things, one, it would slow down the alcohol metabolism to normal level so that there won't be a sharp increase in acetaldehyde, two, it would help to release ALDH2 enzyme to normal level so that liver can convert the acetaldehyde into mild acid (vinegar). The step two won't be necessary for those who have adequate level of ALDH2 enzyme.
So far, if Before Elixir really does what it claims, then there are 2 products including Convivia that can do the step one. Step two can be done by Alda-1 which is still in development from what I've read. So there is a hope for the AF sufferers. The big question is when.
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