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		<title>By: Because I have a nice camera &#124; All Narfed Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Because I have a nice camera &#124; All Narfed Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Just Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to disgree.  The artistic merit of a photograph does not change depending on the device used.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someone who uses a pinhole camera can probably produce a picture vastly superior (atristicly) to what someone who has not studied can produce with even the most expensive camera.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, an SLR generally takes a &quot;better&quot; picture than a point-and-shoot, technically.  It probably has better optics (but not cared for correctly, they may not be), and it may have a better (sharper) viewfiender and focusing system.  In the digital world, it probably has a bigger sensor and less noise and high MP (but not always).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that technical data is meaningless unless you&#039;re taking pictures ot test targets to determine the sensitivity/quality of a camera and lens.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Knowing how to take the picture, what exposure/apeture/etc and how to use your camera means much more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ansel Adams&#039; View Cameras were vastly inferior technically to my D200.  Does that make my images better?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Being able to zoom or focus quickly doesn&#039;t alone make a better picture.  Focusing or zooming quickly on the wrong thing doesn&#039;t help much, does it?  Yes, it&#039;s great to have such features when you know what you are doing, and they do make a difference, especially when photographing sports or animals, but if you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re doing, all of the fast focus and zoom will not help you &lt;em&gt;intentionally&lt;/em&gt; get the right picture (everybody gets lucky sometimes..)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jon&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disgree.  The artistic merit of a photograph does not change depending on the device used.</p>

<p>Someone who uses a pinhole camera can probably produce a picture vastly superior (atristicly) to what someone who has not studied can produce with even the most expensive camera.</p>

<p>Yes, an SLR generally takes a &#8220;better&#8221; picture than a point-and-shoot, technically.  It probably has better optics (but not cared for correctly, they may not be), and it may have a better (sharper) viewfiender and focusing system.  In the digital world, it probably has a bigger sensor and less noise and high MP (but not always).</p>

<p>But that technical data is meaningless unless you&#8217;re taking pictures ot test targets to determine the sensitivity/quality of a camera and lens.</p>

<p>Knowing how to take the picture, what exposure/apeture/etc and how to use your camera means much more.</p>

<p>Ansel Adams&#8217; View Cameras were vastly inferior technically to my D200.  Does that make my images better?</p>

<p>Being able to zoom or focus quickly doesn&#8217;t alone make a better picture.  Focusing or zooming quickly on the wrong thing doesn&#8217;t help much, does it?  Yes, it&#8217;s great to have such features when you know what you are doing, and they do make a difference, especially when photographing sports or animals, but if you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re doing, all of the fast focus and zoom will not help you <em>intentionally</em> get the right picture (everybody gets lucky sometimes..)</p>

<p>jon</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: "links for 2007-03-07" by Bob Plankers, The Lone Sysadmin</title>
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		<dc:creator>"links for 2007-03-07" by Bob Plankers, The Lone Sysadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Laity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Laity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t remember the artist&#039;s name, but it might have been Chet Atkins. He&#039;s rehearsing a part on a beautiful vintage Les Paul in a Memphis studio. One of the record company suits says, &quot;boy, that guitar sounds great.&quot; Player abruptly stops playing and lifts his hands off the instrument. After a few seconds he asks, &quot;How&#039;s it sound now?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Adman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a friend who draws well.  I think he&#039;s a good artist.  Why?  Because given the exact same pencil and paper, I simply can&#039;t do the same things he can.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Until we all have access to the same tools, I think there will always be false accreditation to the technology rather than the artist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, if Eric and I entered a photography contest, and I was given a top of the line camera and he was only allowed to use an elementary-school-science-project pinhole camera, I&#039;d bet I win at least 7 times out of 10...  :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Adman&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who draws well.  I think he&#8217;s a good artist.  Why?  Because given the exact same pencil and paper, I simply can&#8217;t do the same things he can.</p>

<p>Until we all have access to the same tools, I think there will always be false accreditation to the technology rather than the artist.</p>

<p>However, if Eric and I entered a photography contest, and I was given a top of the line camera and he was only allowed to use an elementary-school-science-project pinhole camera, I&#8217;d bet I win at least 7 times out of 10&#8230;  :)</p>

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		<title>By: george v</title>
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		<dc:creator>george v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re welcome.  There are a couple of more gems from WTD that I&#039;ll reference when appropriate :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;re:  Photographic eye.  Here&#039;s the anecdote that explains the reality of the artistic eye.  Eric and I were on the same boat, photographing the same sites.  His equipment was marginally better, but not enough to make a difference.  At that time, I&#039;m sure I had been diving longer, had more dives, had more dives with a camera, and been shooting a 35mm camera for a lot longer.  Yet, comparing shots of the same subjects, there was a clear distinction in terms of visual impact and appeal.  Brains work diffently.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An apt analogy is music.  My grandfather finally got around to teaching me how to tune a piano.  He did it with two tools and two tuning forks (but only used one).  He quickly lost me.  He had perfect pitch.  I could not hear the way he heard.  Having &quot;learned&quot; to play 5 different instruments, I still couldn&#039;t do what he could do.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome.  There are a couple of more gems from WTD that I&#8217;ll reference when appropriate :)</p>

<p>re:  Photographic eye.  Here&#8217;s the anecdote that explains the reality of the artistic eye.  Eric and I were on the same boat, photographing the same sites.  His equipment was marginally better, but not enough to make a difference.  At that time, I&#8217;m sure I had been diving longer, had more dives, had more dives with a camera, and been shooting a 35mm camera for a lot longer.  Yet, comparing shots of the same subjects, there was a clear distinction in terms of visual impact and appeal.  Brains work diffently.</p>

<p>An apt analogy is music.  My grandfather finally got around to teaching me how to tune a piano.  He did it with two tools and two tuning forks (but only used one).  He quickly lost me.  He had perfect pitch.  I could not hear the way he heard.  Having &#8220;learned&#8221; to play 5 different instruments, I still couldn&#8217;t do what he could do.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Around the web &#124; alexking.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around the web &#124; alexking.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: enjelani</title>
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		<dc:creator>enjelani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i think it&#039;s partly because the skill of photography is a nearly-invisible thing (ironic, perhaps). what distinguishes a great photographer from a total amateur is timing, framing, knowing exactly which tools to use and how. none of these things is immmediately apparent when someone takes a photo. it looks purely technical: futzing with gear, pressing a button. the talent required is much less obvious than, say, playing a virtuoso violin concerto.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;photography seems to suffer from that same problem as audio engineering: the average layperson has a much more immediate appreciation of technical quality than of aesthetic/artistic merit. a CD has a rich, full sound to it: &quot;wow, you must&#039;ve recorded that in a really nice studio.&quot; no credit to the engineer who selected and placed the microphones, nor to the mixer who massaged the separate tracks into a coherent whole. the notion is that they &quot;simply&quot; capture what&#039;s there in reality, with top-of-the-line gear, and if Joe Schmoe had that gear he could do it too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;which is a long way of saying: i&#039;m with Adman&#039;s last comment. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it&#8217;s partly because the skill of photography is a nearly-invisible thing (ironic, perhaps). what distinguishes a great photographer from a total amateur is timing, framing, knowing exactly which tools to use and how. none of these things is immmediately apparent when someone takes a photo. it looks purely technical: futzing with gear, pressing a button. the talent required is much less obvious than, say, playing a virtuoso violin concerto.</p>

<p>photography seems to suffer from that same problem as audio engineering: the average layperson has a much more immediate appreciation of technical quality than of aesthetic/artistic merit. a CD has a rich, full sound to it: &#8220;wow, you must&#8217;ve recorded that in a really nice studio.&#8221; no credit to the engineer who selected and placed the microphones, nor to the mixer who massaged the separate tracks into a coherent whole. the notion is that they &#8220;simply&#8221; capture what&#8217;s there in reality, with top-of-the-line gear, and if Joe Schmoe had that gear he could do it too.</p>

<p>which is a long way of saying: i&#8217;m with Adman&#8217;s last comment. :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;There is a minimum quality of gear you might need in order to get a certain kind of photo.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For most lay-people, a better camera DIRECTLY equals better pictures, since our skill at actual photography is 0.  Therefore, from our point of view, &quot;You must have a great camera&quot; makes perfect logical sense to us.  And honestly, I appreciate you helping me understand that it&#039;s not very nice comment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good analogy with Photoshop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Adman&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a minimum quality of gear you might need in order to get a certain kind of photo.&#8221;</p>

<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>

<p>For most lay-people, a better camera DIRECTLY equals better pictures, since our skill at actual photography is 0.  Therefore, from our point of view, &#8220;You must have a great camera&#8221; makes perfect logical sense to us.  And honestly, I appreciate you helping me understand that it&#8217;s not very nice comment.</p>

<p>Good analogy with Photoshop.</p>

<p>Adman</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: echeng</title>
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		<dc:creator>echeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;UW photographers definitely rely heavily on their gear for success, and you&#039;re right that it is a mistake to forget that. And sure, it helps to have a better camera. There is a minimum quality of gear you might need in order to get a certain kind of photo.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My best whale breach shot ever was taken with a 3 fps camera -- about the speed entry-level SLRs (today) offer. The photo pro next to me had an 8.5 fps camera, and he missed the shot. And while you wouldn&#039;t try to shoot a breaching whale with a point and shoot, experience, opportunity and luck have more to do with a good photo&#039;s origins than does the camera itself -- assuming satisfaction of that minimum bar of gear quality.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an analogy that incorporates computers and photography: in most cases, a faster computer doesn&#039;t make you better at using Photoshop.  But for some image-editing applications, you might actually need that faster machine.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UW photographers definitely rely heavily on their gear for success, and you&#8217;re right that it is a mistake to forget that. And sure, it helps to have a better camera. There is a minimum quality of gear you might need in order to get a certain kind of photo.</p>

<p>My best whale breach shot ever was taken with a 3 fps camera &#8212; about the speed entry-level SLRs (today) offer. The photo pro next to me had an 8.5 fps camera, and he missed the shot. And while you wouldn&#8217;t try to shoot a breaching whale with a point and shoot, experience, opportunity and luck have more to do with a good photo&#8217;s origins than does the camera itself &#8212; assuming satisfaction of that minimum bar of gear quality.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s an analogy that incorporates computers and photography: in most cases, a faster computer doesn&#8217;t make you better at using Photoshop.  But for some image-editing applications, you might actually need that faster machine.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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