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	<title>Comments on: ATI Radeon X1900 XT and Mac Pro sparkling/dancing artifacts</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Goeminne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Goeminne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;have you tried zapping your PRAM? It might work for you, you&#039;ll have to do it a few times, I don&#039;t have dancing pixels like you but i do have snow like horizontal lines on my ACD 30&quot;. it&#039;s weird, after i did the PRAM thing, the lines went away for a while. I tried my ACD 30&quot; on another computer and the screen worked perfectly, so I&#039;m going to do the firmware update and see what happens and if that doesn&#039;t work then I&#039;ll have to get another card and see if that works. Thanks for the link on the update.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you tried zapping your PRAM? It might work for you, you&#8217;ll have to do it a few times, I don&#8217;t have dancing pixels like you but i do have snow like horizontal lines on my ACD 30&#8243;. it&#8217;s weird, after i did the PRAM thing, the lines went away for a while. I tried my ACD 30&#8243; on another computer and the screen worked perfectly, so I&#8217;m going to do the firmware update and see what happens and if that doesn&#8217;t work then I&#8217;ll have to get another card and see if that works. Thanks for the link on the update.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: danjsherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>danjsherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had the same issue right after Leopard came out in Fall 2007. I called Apple at the time and they didn&#039;t have any X1900 XT&#039;s in stock (they said the wait would be 30+ days). Since I did not want the Nvidia GEForce card at the time (a downgrade), I convinced the tech on the line to send me the Nvidia Quadro FX card that was compatible with my quad-core Mac Pro (although the retail price of that card was $1500+). They sent it to me, and I haven&#039;t had a problem since. I posted a lot about this on the Apple Discussion board, and just found my old X1900 XT in the closet and looked to see if anything new had been reported about the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same issue right after Leopard came out in Fall 2007. I called Apple at the time and they didn&#39;t have any X1900 XT&#39;s in stock (they said the wait would be 30+ days). Since I did not want the Nvidia GEForce card at the time (a downgrade), I convinced the tech on the line to send me the Nvidia Quadro FX card that was compatible with my quad-core Mac Pro (although the retail price of that card was $1500+). They sent it to me, and I haven&#39;t had a problem since. I posted a lot about this on the Apple Discussion board, and just found my old X1900 XT in the closet and looked to see if anything new had been reported about the issue.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Apple ATI Radeon X1900 XT Video Ca... Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple ATI Radeon X1900 XT Video Ca... Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] I had the exact same problem with my new Mac pro 2008 model with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT video card. In my case, the problem displayed itself on the main monitor, then the video adapter was connected to port 2 (to rule out grounding effects theories, &#8230;. I havce the same problem with my Mac pro and 30?apple display and it is definately the Card ATI radeon x1900. The problem is that the mac pro overheats the card and that is why it seems to be alright at first. &#8230;Read more&#8230; [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I had the exact same problem with my new Mac pro 2008 model with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT video card. In my case, the problem displayed itself on the main monitor, then the video adapter was connected to port 2 (to rule out grounding effects theories, &#8230;. I havce the same problem with my Mac pro and 30?apple display and it is definately the Card ATI radeon x1900. The problem is that the mac pro overheats the card and that is why it seems to be alright at first. &#8230;Read more&#8230; [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Prod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have the same problem with a Mac Pro on a HP LP2465. Tried different monitors and had the same problem. Took the Mac Pro to the Apple store and was told &quot;Couldn&#039;t create the problem, and tests didn&#039;t detect any problems&quot;. I work a lot in Photoshop and whenever there are grays, the red dancing ants appear. Jobs needs to fix QC.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same problem with a Mac Pro on a HP LP2465. Tried different monitors and had the same problem. Took the Mac Pro to the Apple store and was told &#8220;Couldn&#39;t create the problem, and tests didn&#39;t detect any problems&#8221;. I work a lot in Photoshop and whenever there are grays, the red dancing ants appear. Jobs needs to fix QC.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jvcleave</title>
		<link>http://echeng.com/journal/2006/12/09/ati-radeon-x1900-xt-macpro-artifacts/comment-page-2/#comment-3184388</link>
		<dc:creator>jvcleave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have 30&quot; apple cinema display with dancing/sparking particles. I am also using a benQ 24&quot; as a secondary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;what is weird is that it only happened on port 1 of the card. I would see the sparkles with certain colors, dark gray as the desktop background was the worst. dancers also only show up at the highest rez&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I put the 30&quot; into port 2 of the ati card and drug the title bad in display preferences to the 30&quot; (essentially swapping the ports) everything is fine now&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 30&#8243; apple cinema display with dancing/sparking particles. I am also using a benQ 24&#8243; as a secondary.</p>

<p>what is weird is that it only happened on port 1 of the card. I would see the sparkles with certain colors, dark gray as the desktop background was the worst. dancers also only show up at the highest rez</p>

<p>I put the 30&#8243; into port 2 of the ati card and drug the title bad in display preferences to the 30&#8243; (essentially swapping the ports) everything is fine now</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SmokinX</title>
		<link>http://echeng.com/journal/2006/12/09/ati-radeon-x1900-xt-macpro-artifacts/comment-page-2/#comment-3137213</link>
		<dc:creator>SmokinX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also have an first release MacPro which I ordered with the ATI X1900 card as a build-to-order. Have seen pixels dancing mainly when running Windows, but now, also in Safari.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;change color-profile and dancing pixels are gone!
but they reappear if same color combination appears with these new settings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This should be enough for hardware techs to enable them to tell what&#039;s happening and what&#039;s probably the solution, if any...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;btw, if you have the X1900 like me, please open up your mac and vacuum clean the videocard regularly: the inlet gets stuffed with dust, especially when you smoke like me! I probably didn&#039;t clean it soon enough and the sparkling is a result of that?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have an first release MacPro which I ordered with the ATI X1900 card as a build-to-order. Have seen pixels dancing mainly when running Windows, but now, also in Safari.</p>

<p>change color-profile and dancing pixels are gone!
but they reappear if same color combination appears with these new settings.</p>

<p>This should be enough for hardware techs to enable them to tell what&#8217;s happening and what&#8217;s probably the solution, if any&#8230;</p>

<p>btw, if you have the X1900 like me, please open up your mac and vacuum clean the videocard regularly: the inlet gets stuffed with dust, especially when you smoke like me! I probably didn&#8217;t clean it soon enough and the sparkling is a result of that?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://echeng.com/journal/2006/12/09/ati-radeon-x1900-xt-macpro-artifacts/comment-page-2/#comment-3124162</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A letter sent to chris.hook@amd.com concerning the dancing pixel issue.  I&#039;ll let everyone know what their response [if any] is...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mr. Chris Hook:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My name is Bryan Wilcutt, I own a Gateway M285-E laptop which uses the ATI X1400 graphics processor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reason why I am writing to you is to determine if AMD is aware of in-field failures with the ATI X series GPUs.  Specifically, problems such as &quot;dancing pixels&quot; becoming a permanent apparatus on the display, over heating issues, and PCI bridge memory transfer issues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a member of several blogs, organizations and university research groups, I&#039;ve discovered numerous computer users being inconvenienced by the time and cost of replacing motherboards and video cards with ATI product.  My own computer will be receiving a motherboard replacement because of the &quot;dancing pixel&quot; issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What has AMD done to remedy this well known issue?  Is there any remedy that out-of-warranty owners can find to resolve this issue with AMD?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you for your time,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dr. Bryan Wilcutt, PMP&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A letter sent to <a href="mailto:chris.hook@amd.com">chris.hook@amd.com</a> concerning the dancing pixel issue.  I&#8217;ll let everyone know what their response [if any] is&#8230;</p>

<p>Mr. Chris Hook:</p>

<p>My name is Bryan Wilcutt, I own a Gateway M285-E laptop which uses the ATI X1400 graphics processor.</p>

<p>The reason why I am writing to you is to determine if AMD is aware of in-field failures with the ATI X series GPUs.  Specifically, problems such as &#8220;dancing pixels&#8221; becoming a permanent apparatus on the display, over heating issues, and PCI bridge memory transfer issues.</p>

<p>As a member of several blogs, organizations and university research groups, I&#8217;ve discovered numerous computer users being inconvenienced by the time and cost of replacing motherboards and video cards with ATI product.  My own computer will be receiving a motherboard replacement because of the &#8220;dancing pixel&#8221; issue.</p>

<p>What has AMD done to remedy this well known issue?  Is there any remedy that out-of-warranty owners can find to resolve this issue with AMD?</p>

<p>Thank you for your time,</p>

<p>Dr. Bryan Wilcutt, PMP</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s another update for Gateway owners with ATI based laptops AND the dancing pixel issue:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I talked to a company called PELL TECHNOLOGY (www.pelltechnology.com).  This company actually repairs computers (a rarity these days), and sells replacement boards like mothersboard, etc., for nearly every laptop made.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They told me that the ATI &quot;dancing pixel&quot; issue was &quot;common&quot; and they see it in X1400 and above on all machines using these GPUs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was ticked off to find out this is such a well known problem, and ATI is doing nothing about ... and the manufacturers of our computers are doing nothing about it ... that perhaps we, as buyers, should avoid any computers with ATI processors.  TELL YOUR FRIENDS, TOO.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The kind tech that I talked to at Pell told me he heard it had something to do with &quot;Hypermemory Technology&quot;.  Some new frizzle techy hardware abstraction that allows the GPU to dynamically increase or shrink it&#039;s memory using system memory.  He also stated that he understood the problem NOT to be the memory going &quot;bad&quot; but the bus for which this memory is shared.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In any case, the folks who see this all the time say it is a permanent problem once it begins-- you&#039;ll need to replace your component.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another update for Gateway owners with ATI based laptops AND the dancing pixel issue:</p>

<p>I talked to a company called PELL TECHNOLOGY (www.pelltechnology.com).  This company actually repairs computers (a rarity these days), and sells replacement boards like mothersboard, etc., for nearly every laptop made.</p>

<p>They told me that the ATI &#8220;dancing pixel&#8221; issue was &#8220;common&#8221; and they see it in X1400 and above on all machines using these GPUs.</p>

<p>I was ticked off to find out this is such a well known problem, and ATI is doing nothing about &#8230; and the manufacturers of our computers are doing nothing about it &#8230; that perhaps we, as buyers, should avoid any computers with ATI processors.  TELL YOUR FRIENDS, TOO.</p>

<p>The kind tech that I talked to at Pell told me he heard it had something to do with &#8220;Hypermemory Technology&#8221;.  Some new frizzle techy hardware abstraction that allows the GPU to dynamically increase or shrink it&#8217;s memory using system memory.  He also stated that he understood the problem NOT to be the memory going &#8220;bad&#8221; but the bus for which this memory is shared.</p>

<p>In any case, the folks who see this all the time say it is a permanent problem once it begins&#8211; you&#8217;ll need to replace your component.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Same issue here..... (Mac Pro 1st gen, ATI Radeon X1900XT, BenQ FP241vw 24&quot; Monitor)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have lines of green pixels that recently stard showing up across my screen in random areas (mostly in darker areas) dragging a white window over them makes them dissappear...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;FIX: Well its not a real fix, but I changed the color profile from NTSC to my monitors default profile and the pixels dissappeared... For how long(?) I don&#039;t know...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same issue here&#8230;.. (Mac Pro 1st gen, ATI Radeon X1900XT, BenQ FP241vw 24&#8243; Monitor)</p>

<p>I have lines of green pixels that recently stard showing up across my screen in random areas (mostly in darker areas) dragging a white window over them makes them dissappear&#8230;</p>

<p>FIX: Well its not a real fix, but I changed the color profile from NTSC to my monitors default profile and the pixels dissappeared&#8230; For how long(?) I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kurtis Rader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurtis Rader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ATI Radeon HD 4780 with Apple Cinema HD 30&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Machine built by Apple a little over a week ago. I observed the same problem (&quot;sparkles&quot; or dancing pixels) with the first boot. Same display connected to the 3 year old Mac G5 the new system is replacing does not exhibit the problem. Using a mini-DP to dual-DVI adapter in the new system does not exhibit the problem. Using the DVI connector on the replacement graphics card does not exhibit the problem. So it would appear that ATI has a systemic design problem with their high end cards or inadequate manufacturing quality control.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATI Radeon HD 4780 with Apple Cinema HD 30&#8243;</p>

<p>Machine built by Apple a little over a week ago. I observed the same problem (&#8220;sparkles&#8221; or dancing pixels) with the first boot. Same display connected to the 3 year old Mac G5 the new system is replacing does not exhibit the problem. Using a mini-DP to dual-DVI adapter in the new system does not exhibit the problem. Using the DVI connector on the replacement graphics card does not exhibit the problem. So it would appear that ATI has a systemic design problem with their high end cards or inadequate manufacturing quality control.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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