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:: Tuesday, October 26th, 2004 @ 1:48:47 am

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I love performing with Vienna Teng and band. As you all probably know, I’m not really a non-classical cellist, but I learn a lot each time I have the fortune of being up there on stage with her. AND, it’s just so much fun. :)

At the show were the usual suspects: Erik, Michele, and “Klaorman,” who all participate religiously on the forum (see Klaorman’s photos from the show, which look properly white-balanced, which is to say that the photos do not resemble what they did in actuality. digital cameras are tricksy! :). It’s both cool and weird to have a friend who has a discussion forum dedicated to her life (e.g. details of each performance, what she eats, who she is seen with, etc.).

Like the last local performance, we went to Pho Hoa after the show to gorge ourselves on pho and spring rolls. And den, I went home.

Sorry it’s taken so long for me to get these images online. I’ve been running around these past few days with almost no time to myself (where “myself” = me + computer). Before you look at all the photos, you should definitely check out this photo of Jim Batcho — another one of those “best photo ever”moments. :) [see some photos]

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  • jim

    I was trying to do my oh-so-smooth club dance but it came out all monkey-like. :)

    Thanks for the pics. That was good fun!

  • vinh

    i noticed you shot with a 20D. previously you had taken a self-picture with Caroline in a mirror, and i thought to myself that your 1D was almost as big as your head. :) i figured you ought to get a smaller camera for less critical situations, and it looks like you have. how do you like it so far?

    and btw, Vienna might have a discussion forum, but a publicly accessible blog with a comment link is not much different. ^_~ and fear not, for i believe you have a fan base on Vienna’s forums too. lol.

  • http://www.pbase.com/klaorman Klaorman

    I’ve noticed that you hardly ever white balance your photos while I always white balance mine. You’ll probably say that that’s because you want to preserve the reality of the light at the time. Yes, I know mine don’t look like that reality, but yours don’t either; since our eyes quickly white balance against the yellow light, I saw much less yellow at Villa Montalvo than the amount in your photos. Since I really dislike the yellow color, I like to take it out. The Fuji S2 supposedly has great auto white balance; I wonder how it would’ve done in this situation.

    Also, after the concert, we talked a bit about getting correct exposure. I mentioned that I have a hard time keeping bright highlights and dark shadows looking good in the same photo. A case in point is both of our band shots after the concert. Mine is fairly dark because I wanted the faces to look good without getting overexposed. Yours is nice and bright, but the faces are a bit overexposed, although it’s still generally ok. I’ll have to kick up the exposure on mine a bit to see how much overexposure on the faces I can take. But for more extreme examples, I’ve read where one can generate 2 exposures, one for the highlights and one for the shadows, and combine them in Photoshop. I haven’t really done this before since it sounds very time-consuming. I mentioned this method to you and you said I still should correctly expose first. But how can I when extremes are present?

  • syndromes

    Klaorman, if you haven’t already, try playing around with contrast masking a bit and see how it works for you (you don’t have to use two photos/shots for this method):

    http://www.luminous-landscape......king.shtml

    and

    http://www.vinberg.nu/photogra.....asking.htm

  • http://www.aaronlogan.com Aaron

    As far as I’m concerned, there’s no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ when it comes to white balancing—it’s either a matter of personal taste, or it may be entirely dependent on the subject of the photography and the mood the photographer wishes to convey—but here’s what I’d like to know: Does the Christian Coalition know about GWB’s website? It’s nast-ay! (…or is it just another Bush administration .com/.org mistake?)

  • echeng

    Klaorman wrote: “You’ll probably say that that’s because you want to preserve the reality of the light at the time.”

    I hate having words put into my mouth, especially when what is being assumed is totally wrong. I never said that my white balance was accurate, and I did say that your white balance was “proper.”

    in my case, I don’t think it’s about personal taste in this case. For me, it’s about time. I spend approximately 15 seconds per image that I post on this part of my website. I shoot in JPG for most of my daily shots, as I can’t really be bothered to do the RAW conversion.

    A final point to Klaorman — my comments about exposing correctly were directed at you when we were shooting a white piece of paper. if you shoot that paper without overexposing, it’s going to be really dark + crappy — incorrectly exposed. Why expose it that way when you can do it properly? Likewise, when you expose a bunch of people wearing black, or a dark room, you have to underexpose to get the correct exposure. This isn’t related to the “lots of dynamic range” argument you’re posing. This is a problem in all photography (but more so in digital), and it’s a problem that you can’t overcome with a single exposure, nor should you need to unless you care enough to try (I almost never do this, but probably would if I had to shoot in such tough conditions and had to get a usable print out of the results…)

  • echeng

    syndromes — you can’t contrast mask if there’s no information there. Sometimes the highlights are completely overexposed and the shadows are totally underexposed. You have to have info in order to “recover” it. :)

  • syndromes

    Roger that, that’s generally why I don’t bump up exposure (although most people seem to do exactly the opposite). I can recover from underexposed images – I don’t know how to recover from blown highlights :)

  • echeng

    well, “recovering” from underexposed images is still difficult. if you shoot RAW, you can shoot right on the edge of proper exposure because you can recover blown highlights as well as dark shadows. but shooting JPG, you may want to shoot on the underexposure side.

    having said that, if you try to print an image that you have to recover too much, it’s going to look like crap because the shadow detail will likely be noisy and uh… bad.

    it all depends on what your standards are, i guess. everything looks great on the web. :)

  • syndromes

    I only shoot raw shrug (cept with the pocket cams). But I am probably the laziest “photographer” ever. I shoot then, uhh… do nothing with it. I hate post processing and I never print O_o. I am strange :)

  • http://www.pbase.com/klaorman Klaorman

    Eric, sorry for putting words into your mouth, but after you said that my white balance was proper, you went on to say that my photos “do not resemble what they did in actuality”, which -to me- implied that yours do. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

    Yes, we were talking about exposing a white piece of paper correctly, but then I shifted the topic to exposing properly in a wide dynamic range situation and you did say that I had to still try to expose properly. I was going to post a link to one of my sunny-day shots and ask how can I expose that correctly when I came up with the answer: use flash to fill in the shadows.

  • http://markus.nolf.org jumpin

    i used to use fill-flash too. especially in very bright situations (daylight around noon) – to make the pictures “more evenly” exposed.
    but still, you take away lots of that special mood that even your eye doesn’t catch. i think photography is a special way to show things – or to make people see something differently -influencing the viewer by the angle, the perspective, and that range of light the camera captures.
    so lately, i’ve tended to not use flash unless it’s really necessary…
    it’s a matter of taste (in the meaning of “whatever you like best”, not “you have no good taste” or so. just to prevent misunderstandings…)

  • http://www.pbase.com/klaorman Klaorman

    Oh, I rarely use flash also, but I was at a wedding recently where the pro was using flash on every indoor shot (except at the church, of course). I was trying to use my 50 1.8 and was not getting good shots because my shutter was still too slow and I didn’t want to use ISO 1600. I was also getting the yellow cast and wasn’t sure I could white balance it out. So I tried out a few flash shots using a bounce card and thought, hmmm, that’s not too bad, and went on with flash the whole night. Unfortunately, I hadn’t used flash for so long that for most of the night I forgot to reset my ISO to 100 for the highest image quality and left it at 800.

  • echeng

    yeah, i use fill-flash whenever I can (i.e. whenever I feel like hauling along a flash and it isn’t annoying to subjects!). I find that you can turn it down and still retain the “mood” while filling in shadows, as long as the ambient lighting isn’t too strangely colored.

    indoors at night I often shoot at ISO 800/1600 with a tiny bit of fill flash. it’s my favorite indoor technique. but it absolutely doesn’t work unless you have flash EV control either on your camera or on the flash itself.

  • http://www.pbase.com/klaorman Klaorman

    Yeah, but neither my 420EX nor my Rebel has FEC, unless I install the hack. Or get a 20D! Ooooh, 20D…

  • echeng

    i don’t think i’d ever use direct flash if I couldn’t change flash EV. If you bounce it at normal flash EV, it’s fine. But if you’re going to point the flash at your subject, it going to get nuked unless you underexpose it.

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