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Elitism, Religion

:: Wednesday, March 6th, 2002 @ 12:03:08 pm

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Hmm. I’ve been accused of being “elitist” yet again. It comes up in anonymous mudslinging every once in awhile. I wonder if I should start thinking about what it is on this site that makes me come across that way. Each time it happens, it’s accompanied with near incomprehensible ramblings (this time, it almost isn’t English). It usually makes me feel bad for a few minutes, and then I get over it. Each time, I feel bad for a shorter time. I guess eventually, I’ll be immune? :)

Enjelani posted on her site today about a KQED presentation on religion:

I’ve never been religious, but I’ve tried mightily to understand people who are, mostly without success. I can understand the sublime comfort one can find in ritual, the power in a daily affirmation of faith, the value in striving to be constantly aware of what life is about. That’s all marvelous stuff; sometimes I wish I’d be raised to practice these things. But I could never get past taking ancient documents for absolute truth, or as a set of rules to follow literally regardless of social or historical context. The absolute truth part doesn’t work, because so much of religious doctrine has been thoroughly disproven by science, and the set-of-rules part reeks suspiciously of surrogate parenting. If God is just someone who can tell me what to do so I don’t have to think about it myself, someone I can beg for help and whose skirts I can hide behind, just a big strong guy to have on my team so I can beat the other team, then I think it’s nobler to try and live without God. Still, I know many people much more intelligent and courageous than I who have chosen faith over this kind of cold logic, so there must be something to it that I’m not getting.


It’s interesting. “…there must be something to it that I’m not getting.” I often think that. I’ve read articles about the demographic statistics of devout religious people that state that in general, religion falls off as education increases (I’m not sure what metric they use for “education”), except for a sharp spike in people at the top, whom are considered the most educated (the article stated high incidence of religion among brilliant minds of the past). In fact, an old high school friend whose brilliance I have yet to see surpassed turned to the ministry briefly after studying physics at Princeton. There must be something I’m missing.

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  • bt

    elite. expensive "toys". good eating, good living, cultured upbringing and a prestigious school, appreciating music that doesn’t come from a drum machine or "phatbeatloop" software running on someones g3 but rather that someone has to build piece by piece with the movement of their body, with the outpouring of their breath, in a moment of time marked by cadence sweet. or something like that. that can equate to being "elite" in some peoples eyes. it’s all in what our zone of comfort/experience is. isn’t it true that what we are used to, often defines what is "normal"? and you obviously don’t fit their (anonymous poster) idea of "normal". smile. it’s a good thing.

    so what is truth?

    religion is too tricky a subject to discuss in one sitting. i believe "faith" needs to be built completely and absolutely on facts and confidence: an assured expectation of things to come though not yet beheld. to paraphrase paul.

    jesus railed against the religious leaders of his time for their hypocrisy, for their holding to a tenth (titheing) even in the giving of the tiniest of the herbs but neglecting the weightier things of the mosaic law. like love. and mercy. and justice.

    so i don’t think that it isn’t against human nature to twist and tear at that fabric over the centuries. which is why i feel that religion has to be deeply personal; that really, religion was MEANT to be. and that being "true" then, yes, one HAS to personally question the bible, what is found within and what that says about god, your life, living, the universe and the restaurant at the end of it. :) otherwise, you have blind faith, which isn’t really faith at all.

    i could write a whole essay countering the statement beginning with, "If God is just someone who can tell me what to do…" but since i find myself on the wrong end of the Brilliant Spectrum, i won’t. here. :) terribly sorry for taking up your server space.

    bt — "not 1337, just teat"

  • berniesoares

    I recommend Simone Weil’s GRAVITY AND GRACE for anyone who wants to read the intimate and considered thoughts in fragments of a passionately religious person.

    She was born French and Jewish and studied and taught philosophy, and became very interested in Christianity though it is not clear to me whether she ever converted. Some say she was a saint. She only lived into her early thirties and died of consumption.

  • anonymous teen

    it is not on this site you fool. so you’re aware that you’re an elitist. it is good to hear other "lurker" thinks the same. one of these day… we will track u down my stock option friend…. and discuss in long deep session face to face

  • http://www.piggity.com piggity

    Eric, what you are missing is Buddha-nature.

    If you ask any Buddha master whether or not all things have Buddha-nature, every last one will tell you that in fact they do. But if you ask these same masters whether Reno (Allon’s dog) has Buddha-nature, they will tell you that he does not.

    Once you understand this seeming contradiction, you will realize you are holding the key to absolute truth.

  • code monkey

    To "anonymous teen":
    Didn’t your parents teach you that, if you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all?

    To Eric:
    "Elitist" is probably a term that envious, negative people come up with when they visit your site. My unsolicitied advice: don’t worry about what anonymous haters spew out, certainly not to the point where you acknowledge their presence in your blog.

  • http://www.wusze.com/amabelle/blogger amabelley

    i’ve gone from being not religious to religious to not religious… and i e-mailed enjelani as well about this saying that i think what’s missing in the understanding (for most non-christian people) is simply faith. there’s a huge difference between the lack of faith and the leap of faith that non-christians and christians have, respectively.

  • Steven

    my own tastes in art, literature, and philosophy aren’t very refined. I’m not a gear nut, I’m not a photographer, nor am I an artist, writer, poet, or musician – my set of talents and cultural exposure are arguably very limited. I don’t even know how to ride a bike.

    However, Eric has never treated me disparagingly for being a scruffy-headed simpleton. On the contrary, he’s never been anything other than cordial or friendly towards me, though we’re at most peripheral friends at this time. So what, in your personal experience, ‘anonymous teen’ and other assorted lurkers, makes him elitist or exclusionary?

    You’re making no sense.

  • http://ladybug.notsweet.net ladybug

    wow! I think amabelley’s comment hit it right on the head! : )

  • Scare huh Eric?

    coding trick 101??

    trying to damage my Mac? With your hidden autoexec.bat You’re weak deviated chinese boy. no wonder u can’t find a real job… coding 101 trick? hahhah… looks like 30 years old.. .think like 15… congrational Eric.. hahhah…

  • Frank S.

    Heard from my friend that you’re trying to pull this lame http trick to trick your SO basher. I word to describe you dude – WACK. You should be shame yellow skin boy.

  • ellebama

    WAck!! HAHAHAH! WIcKEd MAte

  • http://www.geocities.com/choccobo dardi!

    dude. i’m starting to wonder if not having a comment system is actually a good thing. sorry you have to deal with all this shit. lots of really lame people in this world. :(

  • http://echeng.com eric

    hey, dardy – it’s ok. it’s a little disruptive, but it’s not that big of a deal. :) code monkey – thanks for the advice. every time i respond to what they post, i regret it.

  • Lisa

    What’s going on? Why all this negative energy for someone so positive and interesting? "Yellow skin boy?" What did Eric write or do to deserve this? This is scaring me.

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