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:: Thursday, January 31st, 2002 @ 4:58:11 pm

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I’m interested in soliciting feedback from those of you out there who might be the same position as I am. This is going to be a really geeky discussion, so you sensitive types — go away! (e.g. Amabelle, who inexplicably has Simpsons flashes in her head whenever I start talking about anything with a processor in it. :)

Anyway, I used PCs for about eight years before going to Stanford, but was forced into the Mac camp when arriving at Stanford. I fell “in love” with Macs (heh) for four years. I loved my Mac, but eventually, the frustration of not being able to run the latest software drove me insane. After working at Apple ATG during the summer of 1997 (Apple’s all-time low), I merrily dumped my Powermac 8500 and bought a Dell — and I was happy again. I could use any peripheral I wanted to use, and the entire system wouldn’t freeze when I held the mouse button down. I could also play games. :)

So now, Mac OS X is out, and it’s pretty slick. I’ve also “grown up,” which for me, means that I only use my computer for text and graphics-based communication (email, web, IM) and media work (photo, video) — no games, or any stuff like that. 99% of my computer usage is covered by only a few applications (Outlook, Photoshop, ThumbsPlus, Picture Information Extractor, DeBabelizer Pro, IE, Yahoo! Messenger, ACDSee, and Dreamweaver). Clearly, the Mac excels at media work. However, I get frustrated because I still manage to crash IE on the Mac after using it for only five minutes at a time. I seem to have a golden touch — you know, surfing sites at will. :)

I also have a few peripherals that probably won’t ever work on Macs (like synching phone numbers to my cell phone on a PC, using Outlook). Throw in Windows-centric workplaces, and I’ll again be in my own little world, if I switch to a Mac. What’s the point of VPN, if I can’t access company file systems?

Anyway, I don’t know why I’m writing all of this. Adam Nash will surely start making fun of me immediately, because I’ve had this PC/Mac internal struggle before (I worked at Apple with Adam). Windows just works, but I feel warm and fuzzy inside when I’m using a Mac — assuming that it doesn’t crash while I’m at the helm. :)

Oh yeah — for those of you who are going to say that PCs crash as much as Macs do — if you properly configure a PC and stay away from Windows 95/98/ME, it works well. I consider myself a PC expert, and my machine stays up crash-free for months at a time.

There ya go. My thoughts for today.

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  • http://flamtap.com/weblog carlos

    i like the mac better. i’ve always been a mac person ever since i purchased my first mac which was a nice SE/30. as small as that monitor was, i still thought it was the coolest.

    of course, i’ve always liked doing the media work on the mac too. i have both windows and mac at home and i tend to gravitate toward the mac when updating anything on the web.

    of course, my dell computer is much faster, but that’s because it’s newer. my old powerpc is 5 years old but i just like the feel and look of the mac better than the windows PC.

    just yesterday at school the topic once again was brought up regarding which is better, mac or pc.

    this guy was really ‘ragging’ on the mac and i thought that was unfair. plus, they always say the mac is built better, it’s classier and of course it’s more expensive…

    it’s like what happened to the beta format. i always thought beta was the better format and look what happened? vhs won out. beta lost…

    it’s that way with the mac it seems… yeah, it may be the nicer, more cutting edge computer, but it sure gets ‘ragged’ on because it’s not popular…

    nowadays, i’m content with both platforms… it’s like driving a ferrari or a lamborghini. both will get you from point a to point b in a flash. but which is better? and which is the lamborghini? the mac or the pc… does it really matter?

  • http://www.doan.ws mike

    I too have faced this "intenal struggle". Aesthetically, Macs are better (with the exception of the new iLamp…I mean iMac), and I’m a sucker for great industrial design. I would love to own a Mac, but I don’t because I work in a PC world.

    It obvious that you get more bang for your buck if you go with a PC. So I think, for me anyways, it comes down to whatever is pratical. If I had the extra cash I would have both.

  • http://www.tow.com Adam Tow

    Eric: Well, you won’t be able to do much of your uber-web development with MacOS X since IE 5.1 isn’t up to snuff with what you’re used to. Then again, you can use VirtualPC, but you know… very slow emulation of your wicked fast PC.

    I personally would wait, esp. if you were looking at the dual-processor Macs because the underlying hardware is still back in the stone age. No DDR RAM being used (still SDRAM). The main bus is still slow. PCI still slow. Hard Drives still slow. Case and styling a little outdated.

    I have a feeling that the models that they silently released today are stopgaps for the next generation. Those are the models that I think you should wait for.

    Shortcomings in OS X? Hmmm… it still does crash from time to time, but way more less than OS 9 ever did. I think Classic (OS 9 emulation engine) is the main culprit. Photoshop still runs only in Classic, and many plug-ins don’t work.

    In the end, you’re a power user, and you may find a lot of things just aren’t there for you that you’re used to. For a normal user like Dardy, who doesn’t do all that much, I think it will be great. If all you did was media processing, maybe, but because you do a whole lot more, probably not.

    Just my opinion, Eric. Of course, I’d love to see you on the light side once again :)

  • Aaron

    Hey Eric–I’ve been running OS X for about 3 months now, and I think it kicks ass. I have experienced only two or three crashes during that period of time, and I don’t think any of them involved IE. (That surprises you as much as it does me, I’m sure.) I believe that with adequate memory, OS X will be ultrastable under virtually any situation. I sloppily leave 10 or more programs open at a time, and don’t run into problems. I use Photoshop in Classic mode almost daily, and have found it to be fast and fully functional. The only thing that’s been giving me problems since switching to X is the X version of powerpoint. Can you believe the f@gs at Microsoft let powerpoint go gold master without being able to display imported tifs in ungarbled forms? What a bunch of retards.

    I’m sure my opinion will hold less weight than some of your cyborg friends, but for the things you do, I think the mac would be the most satisfying platform on which to work. Sooo…. why don’t you be cool like this guy and put a shiny new apple on your desktop? :)

  • http://(noneyet) berniesoares

    I had the MAC vs. PC debate with someone a few weeks ago. For a long while (until I got a PC) I was a MAC fan because – I would tell people- it felt better to be on one. I felt cool for being a MAC person. And I’ve heard that MAC’s are better for graphical applications, etc. etc.

    But now that I use a PC (laptop) I really can’t tell much of a difference other than the fact that it’s more convenient to be on a PC b/c so many other people use it, easier to get stuff for it, etc.

    Then it occurred to me that the image Macs have is the result of a brilliant publicity/advertising campaign. Ever see that ad where a runner comes into a room full of people who look like automatons with a big-brother like figure looking down at them from a huge screen. The runner then throws something like a sledge hammer at the screen. Anyway, Mac fans like to think of themselves as an iconoclastic, independent-minded bunch (and maybe they are), but that’s the image nurtured by Mac marketers.

    I’m not really a "techie" by any stretch of the word. This thinking about Mac vs. PC was started by this someone telling me that they could put together a custom PC from components, a very FAST computer for under $500, that a computer that was put together for you e.g. Macs and PC’s was WAY over-priced, etc. etc. And then this someone showed me a site where an eighth grade class had put together a "super-computer" by linking lots of processors together or something like that….I’m digressing.

  • Lo

    Hello Eric!

    I couldn’t resist to give my two cents about Mac vs. PC. First off: IMHO it is Mac and PC, not versus! Wartimes are over, so it’s time to talk about the facts.

    The most notorious problem on the Macintosh is the timeframe of ported
    software: Nearly every piece of (important) software is available, but it takes several months longer then the PC version!

    Mac OS X made such things a little bit easier, but most developers porting Unix software to OS X don’t care about the GUI and force Mac-users to learn Unix commands. E.g. GNUplot was always available for Mac OS 8/9, but the current OS X port lacks every nice feature of the old ports (like QuickTime
    export) — it’s just a program called from the Terminal.app!

    The nicer example are MacGIMP: The freeware Photoshop clone is optimized for Darwin and the included installer will install everything on your OS X machine, including the X Darwin X-Windows manager. MacGIMP is great, but for the pure Mac-lover it is a little bit unusual. If you ever wanted to work with an Unix workstation, but could only afford a Mac (like me) you are in heaven now!!! Many scientists discovered the OS X on fast TiBooks for using their favorite Unix science applications. Currently O’Reilly’s Biotech conference is dominated by iBooks and TiBooks.

    So, if you want a machine capable of running Mac OS classic apps, OS X apps like the new Office 10 v.X., and some Unix geeklets it’s really perfect! You can even emulate every PC-OS and have a seamless integration with Win2000 or WinXP. (Although this will slow down your computer!)

    For the apps: As you said, gaming is not your main interest anymore. If you are the proud owner of a Xbox, I wouldn’t care about games for the Mac OS anymore. Again, most apps are available for OS X and are a joy to use. Installing Office 10 v.X. has never been so easy and smooth. Entourage is great. Palm integration with OS X is at it’s beginning and will be fully available this summer. Most shareware programs are already optimized for OS X and some notorious are being ported now (like my favorite old-time editor
    "Alpha.") Even Adobe can’t resist to acknowledge the lack of Photoshop for OS X!

    It’s up to you: Do you want a beautiful G4 with Cinema display and miss sometimes a very cool PC-only app? Or, do you prefer some nerdy Windows-machine and download daily ten or more pieces of new applications — like Sexter2000 for continously grabbing 10 GBs of porn pictures from every web-site ;-) — for you XP and iPaq?

    The Mac OS X experience is a beautiful integration of advanced programs (like iTunes2 or iDVD), whereas WinXP allows you to integrate your Exchange contacts with your iPaq and maybe soon a Stinger phone …

  • http://www.geocities.com/chang_w_77 chang

    I thought this discussion died a hundred years ago! I have both a G4 and a P4 and hate them both. take me back to OS2! haha.

    But really, if all you do is surf the web and write word docu’s every now and then it doesnt matter which one. so go for the prettier mac.

  • http://www.geocities.com/choccobo dardi!

    hm. should i be OFFENDED by adam who says i’m just a regular user? hrmph. heheeh. he’s right, though; i’m a computing wuss compared to the power users that you and adam are. so i shall not mind just now. but for the record, i am switching from my PC to an iMac as soon as i can get my hands on one. shivers with anticipation but you know, with 150,000 preorders, it might take a while. i do have some preoccupations with moving away from a PC, but part of me has faith that the joy of using a mac will come back in due time…

  • http://www.adamnash.com/ Adam Nash

    How can I resist an intro like that…

    My current thinking on the matter has mellowed considerably in the past few years. I went through a tough time worrying about "justifying" owning a mac. That type of thinking takes you down a bad path, in my opinion, where you either have to slam on the "opposing" platform, or overly hype your own.

    Instead, I have recently taken a different approach. I’ve come to the simple realization that I like Macs. I like Apple products, and I like using them. And given my lowered personal needs (I no longer develop for a living, and like Eric use primarily Photoshop, Office, Email, Web, and Quicken) there is no reason I "need" a Windows-based PC.

    So what am I left with? Afraid of compatibility? No. Everything I need for the next 2 years is out today. Files are universally compatible, so I am not worried about "orphaned content" created over the next few years. Regardless of which platform I choose today, I’ll probably replace almost everything in the next 3 years anyway. As a result, the long term viability of Apple is no longer a sticking point. Fact is, despite the 400 discussions on the matter at business school, everyone seems to ignore the fact that Apple continues to persist even after a decade of "inevitable doom".

    Price always comes up, and I won’t go into it here. At any pricepoint these days, I do not think any system will let you down, or feel slow. I got my grandmother a $690 iMac, and you know what, it was pretty zippy. Price/performance is subjective anyway, because after all, isn’t enjoyment a factor in the "performance" of a system, at least when humans are involved?

    Mac OS X is pretty good, despite the UI foibles of Aqua. I actually haven’t crashed it yet, and that’s more than I can say for my Win2K machine at work.

    So my net-net: buy what you want. Don’t worry so much about theoretical needs or strategic issues. Get something you like. Use it. Abuse it. Make sure it does what you need and more importantly what you like. You can always switch down the road.

    Funny thing about this logic is that I settled into it about 3 years ago, thinking that by now I would have made the inevitable transition away from the Mac. But somehow that transition always seems over the horizon. I’m pretty sure I’ll be upgrading my machine this year (2+ years old), but I’m 95% sure it will turn out to be a mac. Turns out that I still don’t need a PC at home…

  • http://www.jlittlewood.com Julz

    I’ll just toss Umberto Eco’s dated but still classic comments on Mac/PCs – nobody seems to know them anymore:

    http://www.well.com/user/cynsa/engine.html

    My own views are that Apple prides elegance and ‘intuitiveness’ over usability. Yes, this creates some wondrous and very original machines/software, but it is not without problems. I attack the whole idea that ‘intuitive computers’ (a chimera if ever there was one, at least with current technology) is even a desirable goal. MS at least still offers users a choice between ‘hand-holding’ and ‘pro’ methods for many procedures in WinXP. My favourite example of the follies of ‘intuitive’ design is the one-button mouse. Of course having multiple buttons means having to learn their different uses rather than automatically guess them. But that tiny little hurdle at the beginning of the learning process pays such enormous dividends in such a short time. And so on, with many more examples…

    But the world of computers is a better place with conflicting design approaches flourishing concurrently…

  • hmm

    what about UNIX/Linux??

    I am a server type of guy. I like scripts and shell prompts. window interfaces are overrated.

    mac – designed for computer inept graphical designers and/or children

    pc – not as computer inepted as mac users but in many cases inept also. designed for teenagers and for the general public.

    unix – geeks only keep out

  • http://echeng.com eric

    I guess I’m not hardcore enough for Unix. I do tons of graphics work, and you need graphical UIs for that sort of thing.

    By the way, I disagree with every one of your generalizations about computing platforms. Some of the smartest computer people I know use Macs. They are technically competent on other platforms, but they choose the Mac for personal use. shrug

  • Alex King

    The Cinema Display makes it all worthwhile… Final Cut Pro on the Cinema is fun.

    OS X is a heckuva lot better than OS 9. Since I can use MySQL and PHP on OS X, I no longer have any temptation to get a Windows box. Course, I haven’t tried any XSLT on the Mac so I don’t know what the support is like there if you plan on using that for any upcoming projects.

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